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(@djames)
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Sena has a new long range usb dongle that will work with windows mobile . I tested it today with Carlson + , worked great. I like it because I can just plug it into the data collector no wires . I was able to pair it with a non parani bluetooth. I ran a Topcon 9000 in robotic mode with just the 9000's Bluetooth. Range was not the best but the 9000 is only class2 blueteeth. I can fix that later pairing it with another class 1 parani.

http://www.sena.com/products/industrial_bluetooth/sd1000u.php

I also tested the new gps search function inside Carlson Ce while in robotics. I used one of these blue teethed to the data collector.

http://www.amazon.com/Q-1000XT-BT-Q1000XT-Bluetooth-Vibration-waypoints/dp/B000SNEBC2

This is a game changer , the gun turns right to you when you push the gps serch button . I had to store 3 points on the job for it to work but once it got setup it was awesome . It worked better than my Topcon RC3..Woth a look.

 
Posted : February 8, 2014 1:44 pm
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Hello

are you suggesting that GPS search is available in a carlson surveyor plus

I have a leica 1200 series with Blue tooth handle and the unit is spot on blue tooth to about 180 meters 600 feet to a Carlson surveyor Plus DC a very trusty connection Is this what you are talking about for the carlson DC has No radio just
a Great internal blue tooth.

The Parani are good but he Stock Calson Surveyor blue tooth to a Leaca TS12 requires is good/Great out of the BOX

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Posted : February 8, 2014 5:11 pm
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Yes GPS search is in instrument setup for robot . If you setup you will have a new button in robotic control.I was using a simple Bluetooth Gps unit that send a generic NMEA string .

The Bluetooth test was because I am buying a topcon Ds robot and it uses long range Bluetooth to communicate , I wanted to see if the usb dongle class1 Bluetooth would work with carlson.

If you added the dongle you get 900' or more..

 
Posted : February 8, 2014 5:45 pm
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I have learned that on the Leica TS12 Blue tooth handle it pays to flip up
the antennae on the handle i thought at first the flip up antenna was a gimmick
and on most days to 180 meters left the antenna in the stored handle position and worked fine.

On one day i fliped up the Anntena and the conection was great/more reliable to 180 meters plus.

So flip up the antenna.

Power searh on the Leaca TS12 works so well i don't think GPS Search would help much but heck its worth a try

Holding head low.

PK

 
Posted : February 9, 2014 12:20 pm
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SurveyPro calls the gps search "geolock". I was I was thinking that would be a great function on a busy construction site. Good to know Carlson offers it. Spectra Precision seems to have good software with user hostile marketing policies. If the excavator runs over the data collector they don't just want me to buy new hardware, they also want me to buy new software.

 
Posted : February 9, 2014 10:01 pm
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I find power search very reliable on those Leica instruments.

I worked alongside construction surveyors who were pro users. These guys could survey anywhere, regardless of the amount of obstruction on worksite. All they needed was a little peep hole / line of sight and the gun would find them.

Great news about the 300 m Bluetooth. Wow, that's a great range for a small look-alike USB key device.

 
Posted : February 10, 2014 5:44 am
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Hi

The stock Leica Robot TS12 1200 blue tooth handle is more or less flawless
to a stock Carlson Surveyor + say 200 meters and this is a stock surveyor plus
no add on radio modules on Carlson Surveyor PLus just the internal blue tooth on the DC.

I would say there is no point in a blue tooth Parani but blue tooth has done some good things for the equipment i use.

But go go for blue tooth and dump any propriety radios.

The carlson flip to Sokkia GPS rover from/To Leica robot is one button push on the carlson plus
zero hang ups with the surveyor plus so i don't think GPS search would be much of a solution for a Leica ROBOT. Thus if the shots are that long i would use RTK

A small extension Bluetooth antenna on the Carlson Surveyor plus would be about
all i would neeed and then use it once a week for the long shot when GPS will not
do it up against a rock face / building ETC.

PK

 
Posted : February 10, 2014 12:47 pm
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At what version number of SURVCE did they include the GPS search (3.1)??? Sounds pretty cool. I have a Recon with built in GPS, so I assume it could use the internal GPS for the GPS search?

 
Posted : February 10, 2014 1:48 pm
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2.62 I believe

 
Posted : February 10, 2014 2:30 pm
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I think Carlson calls it Quick Search. It was in the list of additions to version 3. I am trying to find info in the V3 manual but there is nothing in the TOC or index.

 
Posted : February 10, 2014 2:42 pm
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It's easy to use . I think I located 3 points and it was ready to use . Make sure you check do not use elevations if your using a neama grade GPS receiver.

 
Posted : February 10, 2014 5:37 pm
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GPS Robot Search

I borrowed a SurvCE DC and tried the robotic search today. IMO, it's a nice start, but leaves a lot to be desired. I used it on a Nomad with built in GPS, so that was nice and easy to set up, with not extra attachments. For all that's good about it, here is where I think it fell short.

First off, the search commands should be on the main sideshot screen when you are doing topo/location. I don't really need or want the map there, which takes up most of the screen, so perhaps it could be a user setting to do away with the map and have more control options instead. Having to go to a second screen to use the search commands is a waste.

Secondly, it wasn't all that great at turning to me. It was often so far off that the regular search pattern wouldn't find me, either. This may be due to my testing being on a small site with not enough points to get it well oriented?

Third, it also seems like unneeded keystrokes to have to first use the GPS search to turn to you, then you still have to hit regular "search" to make it find you. Seems like it should automatically go into a search pattern once it's turned in your general direction. Perhaps that could be a user setting.

Forth, in my ideal world, I would not have to do anything to keep the robot locked on me. With GPS on the DC, the robot could/should detect with it's lost the prism and then go into a mode where it follows the GPS position. How awesome would it be to walk behind a large building and have the robot pointed at you and following you when you come out the other side?

It could be a "game changer", though. I definitely like the idea. I'm going to try it on a large site next week with more topo points to orient from.

 
Posted : February 11, 2014 12:58 pm