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(@john-hamilton)
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I came in this morning and my login screen was up. I logged in, and it said that windows 7 had automatically installed some critical updates.

TBC would not run, not even get to the splash screen. Disaster!

I uninstalled, reinstalled, etc. I was pretty sure the problem was with something microsoft. I went in to the updates list, and removed the last .net update (from today). That fixed it. FYI...wasted about three hours this morning, and got my blood pressure soaring.

 
Posted : March 10, 2016 10:30 am
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And that, children, is why you should NEVER have "automatically install updates" turned on

 
Posted : March 10, 2016 10:35 am
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I had some updates install last night and this morning too, but TBC seems to be working fine. Windows 7 64-bit, TBC v3.61.5801.26218.

 
Posted : March 10, 2016 10:40 am
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Others advise to always have auto updates turned on so that you always have the latest security patch...not sure which is worse.

 
Posted : March 10, 2016 10:48 am
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I too have had 18 updates in the last two days, Win 7 Pro, TBC 3.61, no problems here.

 
Posted : March 10, 2016 11:04 am
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Well, I wonder why I was so special? I also can no longer run any embedded videos in Chrome. Black screen, says plug in not loaded. I have confirmed that the plug in is indeed loaded.

Very frustrating...I got more important things to do!

 
Posted : March 10, 2016 11:09 am
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Once read a science fiction story based on the premise that computers became useless. This happened because the update cycle became continuous. Every file or web site opened required a software update and security scan. Each update and scan required a system reboot which then required a check for updates of all software on the system. Also as an additional precaution each update or scan required multiple user and system administrator approvals. The result was starting a computer required nearly four hours. Logging off for lunch or opening another file restarted the entire cycle.

We are approaching the point where that science fiction becomes reality.

 
Posted : March 10, 2016 11:42 am
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jim.cox, post: 361626, member: 93 wrote: And that, children, is why you should NEVER have "automatically install updates" turned on

is auto update on by default? (obviously it should not be)

experience has shown that the nanny system is only good sometimes, not always.
when I run Windows it is Not connected to the internet, it is just not safe in many ways.

 
Posted : March 10, 2016 12:14 pm
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Peter Ehlert, post: 361657, member: 60 wrote: is auto update on by default? (obviously it should not be)

experience has shown that the nanny system is only good sometimes, not always.
when I run Windows it is Not connected to the internet, it is just not safe in many ways.

I have my systems set to download but not install updates

That way I can check which are being installed (do NOT want win10)

And also time it so that ifwhen it goes wrong it is not going to impact any important work

 
Posted : March 10, 2016 1:24 pm
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My Automatic Updates is on, but our IT must have done something to block Windows 10 (or maybe it's because we have a contract with Dell) because mine has never tried to "upgrade" to it.

However, I do have a son who works in IT at a Fortune 500 company; he's running it - has been as long as it's been available - and he loves it, keeps telling me I need to go to it. It's really not even an option for me; our IT department will decide if and when we move to a later version of Windows, and my personal machines are too old for it.

 
Posted : March 10, 2016 1:35 pm
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John Hamilton, post: 361641, member: 640 wrote: Well, I wonder why I was so special? I also can no longer run any embedded videos in Chrome. Black screen, says plug in not loaded. I have confirmed that the plug in is indeed loaded.

Very frustrating...I got more important things to do!

Chrome has an issue with Java scripts. That is why Google Earth did their deal because of the scripts. I had to install a Internet Explorer program to emulate IE in chrome for the special times. I'm guessing that is your issue. I can't login to a school website because they use Java Script and Chrome doesn't support it.

 
Posted : March 10, 2016 2:32 pm
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jim.cox, post: 361670, member: 93 wrote: I have my systems set to download but not install updates

That way I can check which are being installed (do NOT want win10)

And also time it so that ifwhen it goes wrong it is not going to impact any important work

My question was "is auto update on by default?" as in when you make a fresh install...Dave Karoly just got a new computer with W10, maybe he knows.
I feel that it should be an Opt In, not Opt Out.

personally, I had Windows 7 running a few months ago, I had both download and upgrade turned off. It was running slow, my windows partition was filling up fast, and it was sucking up all of my wifi band width for some strange reason. I investigated and found that it was in the middle of automatically downloading something like 3.5 GB of cruft to "upgrade" to Windows 10. That was Not something I wanted or "authorized".
I shut it down and cloned that Windows partition onto another drive, and then deleted it from my primary drive.
Now when I open Windows it says "not genuine", will not update, and prompts me to phone home... perfect! If at some point I want to re-register I can, but not now, if ever.
Perhaps I am dumb as a brick, but I like to control what my tools do.

 
Posted : March 10, 2016 7:35 pm
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I found a small app that blocks that annoying "Upgrade now to Windows 10" (GWXstopper).

The family computer that I bought a few years ago with windows 8 would not boot up anymore, so i installed windows 10 and it is a big improvement.

I would upgrade any windows 8 computer to windows 10, but I am perfectly happy with windows 7 that I have on my desktop and laptop.

 
Posted : March 11, 2016 5:46 am
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This morning I have a new icon on my taskbar - "Upgrade to Windows 10". Right clicking does not provide a delete option.

 
Posted : March 11, 2016 5:53 am
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Try the GWXstopper I mentioned. It works.

 
Posted : March 11, 2016 6:08 am
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I've been declining the upgrade for months now, but I'm reluctant to install the blocking app because I may want to take advantage of the free upgrade before it's no longer free. I know if I block it I'll forget and let the free date go by unnoticed.

 
Posted : March 11, 2016 7:30 am
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I woke to a Windows 10 upgrade that I am positive I did not select. Now I am having registration err 486 with Carlson, and Acad won't even boot about 2/3 of the time.

 
Posted : March 11, 2016 4:02 pm
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Frank Willis, post: 361903, member: 472 wrote: I woke to a Windows 10 upgrade that I am positive I did not select.

There seem to be several variations on the upgrade notification scheme, and one of them appears to be opt-out rather than opt-in. I haven't run into the former...yet.

 
Posted : March 11, 2016 4:47 pm
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I believe that the latest micrsoft automatic overnight update on 02.23 had something to do with the demise of my not quite 5 year old pc. I feel your pain John. It has been a couple weeks of getting by with a couple little laptops waiting for my new machine to arrive.

 
Posted : March 11, 2016 5:07 pm