Well, the time is coming where I am going to have to upgrade/replace my computers. I have had my trusty desktop for 6.5 years, and my laptop for about 5 years.
The desktop works great, and I have no problems with it. It is running XP professional. It is a workhorse. It only has 2GB of Ram, well it may have 4GB of RAM, I can't remember.
My laptop is pretty good, but it does struggle sometimes with some stuff. I think it is more of a Vista issue as opposed to the actual hardware.
I was told that any and all support for XP is stopping in April, and that there may be potential security issues after that. The desktop has some age, and I am concerned about hard drive failure. I have all of my important data copied onto two separate external hard drives. I want to keep it running, but will probably take it off of the internet, and install a second hard drive with the original hard drive mirrored on it, if that is possible.
The desktop is my main workstation, as it is just more comfortable for hard core drafting, word processing, etc., in my opinion.
The laptop is great for field calcs, and traveling, which I seem to be doing on a regular basis, at least this past year. I also seem to picking up more construction layout, so having the laptop is crucial.
One problem I do seem to have sometimes is keep up with the most current version of my jobs between the desktop and laptop. Emails in two different computers can also be difficult to keep up with sometimes as well. Chris uses a laptop as his main computer for his business, and doesn't seem to have any issues.
My daughter is getting a Toshiba Laptop 64 bit running Windows 8, and it has 6GB of RAM (expandable to 32GB) for Christmas. I cranked it up right after it got here to go ahead and get the shared printers and network set up on it, and that thing is smoking fast. I am not sure I like the Windows 8, but I could probably get used to it. One thing I do like is the built in keypad, which is real handy when keying in deeds using Carlson. I paid $375 for it including taxes and shipping.
My main concerns are compatability with my existing equipment. I have an HP Designjet 650C that works great, and I do not have the means or desire to replace it anytime soon, as long as it is working. I live too far away from the city to use a print service, so a plotter at the office is a must. I have Hiper Lites, and a Ranger 200T, and they use a serial port, but I have a good serial to USB converter.
I use Carlson Survey Standalone 2008 with embedded Autocad, Topcon Tools 8,2, GNSS Solutions, Open Office, NitroPDF on a daily basis.
I am considering getting a laptop similar to my daughter's new laptop, and possibly using that as my main workstation, and keep using my existing laptop in the field. I do carry one of my external hard drives with me at all times, which is handy when I need to access older jobs when on the road, and Dropbox is pretty handy as well.
I am also considering upgrading to Carlson 2014 with embedded AutoCad, but am concerned that my current laptop may struggle with it. My Carlson Survey 2008 works great for my design surveys and boundary surveys, but it is becoming more common for me to get drawings that I have to run through TruView, which can be a pain sometimes. I also need to coordinate software upgrades with Chris, because we are having some compatability issues now. We work together enough that is important.
I am looking for suggestions, pros and cons, etc. I want to keep things simple. Thank you very much for any and all advice.
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> The desktop works great, and I have no problems with it. It is running XP professional. It is a workhorse. It only has 2GB of Ram, well it may have 4GB of RAM, I can't remember.
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You don't have enough RAM
> My laptop is pretty good, but it does struggle sometimes with some stuff. I think it is more of a Vista issue as opposed to the actual hardware.
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> I was told that any and all support for XP is stopping in April, and that there may be potential security issues after that. The desktop has some age, and I am concerned about hard drive failure. I have all of my important data copied onto two separate external hard drives. I want to keep it running, but will probably take it off of the internet, and install a second hard drive with the original hard drive mirrored on it, if that is possible.
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> The desktop is my main workstation, as it is just more comfortable for hard core drafting, word processing, etc., in my opinion.
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> The laptop is great for field calcs, and traveling, which I seem to be doing on a regular basis, at least this past year. I also seem to picking up more construction layout, so having the laptop is crucial.
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> One problem I do seem to have sometimes is keep up with the most current version of my jobs between the desktop and laptop. Emails in two different computers can also be difficult to keep up with sometimes as well. Chris uses a laptop as his main computer for his business, and doesn't seem to have any issues.
Not sure about the problem with emails on different computers, don't you have a smartphone? Unless you have different email accounts, how can that be an issue?
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> My daughter is getting a Toshiba Laptop 64 bit running Windows 8, and it has 6GB of RAM (expandable to 32GB) for Christmas. I cranked it up right after it got here to go ahead and get the shared printers and network set up on it, and that thing is smoking fast. I am not sure I like the Windows 8, but I could probably get used to it. One thing I do like is the built in keypad, which is real handy when keying in deeds using Carlson. I paid $375 for it including taxes and shipping.
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> My main concerns are compatability with my existing equipment. I have an HP Designjet 650C that works great, and I do not have the means or desire to replace it anytime soon, as long as it is working. I live too far away from the city to use a print service, so a plotter at the office is a must. I have Hiper Lites, and a Ranger 200T, and they use a serial port, but I have a good serial to USB converter.
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> I use Carlson Survey Standalone 2008 with embedded Autocad, Topcon Tools 8,2, GNSS Solutions, Open Office, NitroPDF on a daily basis.
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> I am considering getting a laptop similar to my daughter's new laptop, and possibly using that as my main workstation, and keep using my existing laptop in the field. I do carry one of my external hard drives with me at all times, which is handy when I need to access older jobs when on the road, and Dropbox is pretty handy as well.
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> I am also considering upgrading to Carlson 2014 with embedded AutoCad, but am concerned that my current laptop may struggle with it. My Carlson Survey 2008 works great for my design surveys and boundary surveys, but it is becoming more common for me to get drawings that I have to run through TruView, which can be a pain sometimes. I also need to coordinate software upgrades with Chris, because we are having some compatability issues now. We work together enough that is important.
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> I am looking for suggestions, pros and cons, etc. I want to keep things simple. Thank you very much for any and all advice.
If you want to keep things simple, go for a complete overhaul. Don't try to mix and match old with new. If you're going to get a new laptop, I think the 200T has got to go in favor of something more modern. As a Solo Operator your communication protocols are your number one ally (wifi, bluetooth, serial/usb etc.), so make sure you get that right. I wouldn't invest in Carlson 2014 until I had the new laptop. If, as you say your desktop is your go-to for CAD work, then you definitely need a new tower. You'd be surprised at how much more you can get done.
I believe before you go out and invest, you need to review your current workflow in order to determine where the leaks are and where you can realize better efficiency with new technologies.
I would keep in mind that all this will not come without a learning curve, so you might be taking 3 steps back to take 20 forward.
Just my 2cents
Ralph,
Thanks for the reply.
I have 2 data collectors, a Ranger 200T and a Ranger 500X. Both collectors can connect through the usb connection, so the data collector is okay.
I agree on the RAM. There are times that I wish it had more.
The emails on two different computers are because I use the laptop in the field, and the desktop in the office. For instance, I am in the house now, and using the laptop. I check email on both computers.
I use Windows mail on the laptop, and Mozilla Thunderbird on the desktop. I do have two email addresses, but that isn't too bad for the way I use them. My emails are saved into the program that I use on each respective computer. I don't use the web based email to check my messages.
The local computer guy that built my current desktop, told me that I might be looking at having to upgrade some other equipment in addition to the computers. I have no desire to replace a plotter that is working just fine, or data collectors or gps units that work just fine. They are pretty straight up guys, but I don't want to spend more than I need to to accomplish the same tasks that I do now.
I don't want to sound cheap, but I am close to getting some debt paid off, and I don't want to get back into debt.
I definitely need to streamline my workflow, and improve on efficiency both in the field and in the office.
Thank you again,
Jimmy
I used to download mail (from multiple accounts) to my desktop computer. I no longer do that since I find myself at multiple locations throughout the week. One possibility to consider would be to set up email as imap, which would leave the original message on the server and download a copy of only new messages to whichever computer you are using at the time.
There are still some laptops and desktops (higher end typically) on which win7 is still available (if that would make a difference with software and hardware compatibility).
Honestly, when dealing with programs such as AutoCAD and similar, go as much above the minimum specs (hardware and software) as you can (especially in the RAM dept, larger hard drives are nice too). I find myself happier for a longer period of time (with machines) the further above the "basic" end I get.
Sure, 6 gigs of ram sound great until I start bogging it down with over-sized bloatware and the machine slows down.
I have been using one laptop in the field and office for about 3 years and it works great. I always have the most recent version of drawings with me. One thing to make sure of is always have a good backup of files. I also use Dropbox as a second backup.
I always buy business grade computers from Dell or Lenovo. They tend to have longer warranties and are quite a bit more rugged. You can shop through Dell Business outlet and get a great price on a refurbished computer that has the same warranty through Dell (only buy a refurbished directly from the manufacturer), my last two computers were from the business outlet and worked flawlessly. If you go through dell outlet, check their twitter feed for coupons up to 30% off.
My current computer is a Lenovo X1 Carbon. It is under 3 pounds, very quick, a 64 bit, and has Windows 8 installed. I run Carlson 2006 and AutoCAD 2002 with no problems. The install was a little tricky due to it being 64 bit, but the workaround is easy (I can explain it to anyone that might need help). My plotter is a HP 110+ and works great. I have another old printer that works great as well. I've yet to have any item that will not work with Windows 8. If you can use your current equipment with your Windows Vista computer then it should work on Windows 8.
I have been told these folks build a good CAD workstation. I have no personal experience with them; just passing on the info.
Two points.
- Get a machine with Windows 7 while you still can. Yes, there are ways to force the Windows 8 to run your programs, but Windows 8 is not worth the trouble. Your life will be much easier with 7.
- Put all your money into just one nice laptop. You do not need both the laptop and desktop if the laptop is a fast screaming machine. Get a bigger monitor for working at the office you can plug into and a nice mouse. You can still have the old XP sitting there for emergencies.
first- the end around for getting older software to work in 8 is no biggie (at least for carlson). the curious thing being when i encountered this i went back and forth with carlson support and they told me i needed to upgrade- which i wasn't prepared or willing to do. about 15 minutes on their threads and i found a patch that made it work instantly. either they are unaware of their own patch or else especially willing to feign ignorance as a means to push upgrades. i'm running 07 on a windows 8 machine with no problem. and while i can't stand 8 so far for myriad other reasons, i'm running CAD with no issues whatsoever. (gimme a shout if you go the windows 8 route, i'll let you know where that patch is and where it needs to go.)
second- i've run off laptops before and can't stand it in terms of a main station. as i alluded to on the coffee break thread- my first choice would be a desktop with dual monitors. the ability to use one monitor to pull up PDFs of deeds, plats, etc and have them visible, on top of being able to, say, have your working drawing open on one screen and all your record parcels/alignments/yadda yadda on the other, and be able to pull them back and forth- i swear it's made the whole task of analyzing and processing way more efficient (though that may vary for different people). plus, it's an exceedingly cheap upgrade.
For me, it's agreed that two monitors are basically a must.
There are nice looking laptops with 17-18" screens and Win7 still available. Some even have dual video cards and high speed (7200rpm) hard drives.
> Two points.
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> - Get a machine with Windows 7 while you still can. Yes, there are ways to force the Windows 8 to run your programs, but Windows 8 is not worth the trouble. Your life will be much easier with 7.
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> - Put all your money into just one nice laptop. You do not need both the laptop and desktop if the laptop is a fast screaming machine. Get a bigger monitor for working at the office you can plug into and a nice mouse. You can still have the old XP sitting there for emergencies.
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Your Designjet 650 will probably run very well under Windows7, even 64bit. I'm not sure about connecting it directly, but you can set it up on a network (wired or wireless) to the parallel port and use the HP pl532 driver.
My 450c is connected thorough a Trendnet wireless parallel print server but you may be able to use a usb to parallel cable. Haven't tried that as the plotter is in a different room, on a different floor because of space.
I'd definitely go with Win7.
"One problem I do seem to have sometimes is keep up with the most current version of my jobs between the desktop and laptop. Emails in two different computers can also be difficult to keep up with sometimes as well. Chris uses a laptop as his main computer for his business, and doesn't seem to have any issues."
Just use something like gmail. Forward your existing addresses to gmail or you can set up your existing addresses to use within gmail using their business apps ( I think there's a small fee for this now). Place all your projects on google drive or similar, that way everything is on pc, laptop and phone.
I agree, I avoid heavy duty cad on the laptop. Desktop setup with two large monitors will spoil you.
My work computer is a Dell Latitude with 8 gigs of ram and a small hard drive. The IT people made the decision on the hard drive. I have a docking station with external key board and dual 19" monitors. When they upgrade my monitors in 2 years, I am going to request 24" or larger. If I were in your position, I would look at setting up a server or network attached storage that I could access by VPN or FTP. We have VPN access to our network and it is nice.
I have been considering an Algiz 10x for the field, which is basically an upgraded Carlson supervisor (I think). the 10x has a 10" screen and the supervisor has a 7" and is older technology. It could double as field laptop and data collector. Seems like it could be a real advantage, I just don't know if I could part with a keypad. I could probably get used to touch screen only. Lots of guys, it's all they use.
For me, also, two monitors is a must have for my office, so I wouldn't give that up for a laptop. I suppose you could use a laptop and hook everything up when you come in, but it's not worth it to me.
Also, for handling your files, you can download Microsoft SyncToy to keep your drawings and files updated on two computers.
Jimmy, Time to flick trusty XP. IMHO Widows best OS was XP. You might be still able to find W7 on some computers, but generally all W8. Which as a long time XP user you will find yourself hopelessly floundering.
I got advice 6 months ago and got a local made computer that still supplied W7 on laptop. Have an external hard drive separate for back up. About to get a second different HD make just in case of failure of other HD. Hesitating to cloud back up, although use Yahoo when away to back up raw data and field calcs as well as USB stick. I also believe vitally essential that you connect in a second screen when in office or in motel when traveling on large jobs.
Being a mobile phone owner since Adam was a boy and they were the size and weight of three bricks I have deliberately upgraded phones over the years so that purely a phone usage as my Laptop stores all my in and out emails. When I go bush take laptop, screen, printer/scanner in vehicle so have complete office provided internet available.
RADU
Jimmy, Best thing to do is get a Dell Precision laptop loaded with Windows 7 Professional or Ultimate, 64 bits and all the RAM that you can pack into the box. Then you get a docking station for it and attach all the 24" monitors that you want and a wireless keyboard and mouse and perhaps a 2TB Western Digital Passport portable hard drive.
I will say that spending a little more now will pay for itself in the long run. If you buy a $400 laptop, you will get a cheap laptop that isn't just behind on technology, but cuts a lot of corners. The fan will be noisy and even if it isn't, just give it a few months. It won't have a dedicated graphics card, which means it will suck in CAD. Chances are, you'll be tired of it in a year anyway.
Of course, these are generalizations and you may find a deal, but it's highly unlikely you'll get something good for that low of a price.
Over a year ago, I purchased a $1,200 laptop, but between coupons and credit card cashback (Amazon credit card) and a limited time sale, I got it for $800. I would have happily paid $1,200 for it though.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007Z9EAP0/ref=oh_details_o07_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Anyway, I could buy a disposable laptop for $400 every year or I could buy a $800 or $1,200 computer that would last much longer and perform much better. This thing is barely getting started. It's ridiculously fast and still completely silent even when the fan is on (which is rare). I do a lot of graphics-intense work and nothing phases it. I suspect I'll have this one for at least 5 years and it will probably be perfectly fine beyond that. And my money didn't just buy performance, it bought quality.
The other consideration for paying more up front is the idea of transferring everything and reacquainting yourself with a new computer all the time. You can save a ton of time by simply buying something that will last for the long haul.
I'll get off my soapbox now. This is what I tell everyone asking my opinion about this. I know not everyone will be able to pay more right now, but if you can swing it, it's well worth it in the long run.
How do you like the Asus?
Rakuten sometimes has some pretty good deals on laptops. You just have to watch their daily sales. I have seen them advertise Dell's, Lenovo's and Asus i7's for good prices. I've seen them advertise copies of XP and W7 also.
Great points Wendell, if I recall you and I both bought similar systems on Amazon at about the same time. Mine came with 8gb and I immediately bought another 8, for stuff like Kubit and Cyclone in addition to the Cad stuff.
On another note, I don't know how I would survive without my 64gb Iphone. I'm constantly on the phone or receiving business/project related emails which require timely responses. I go ballistic when there is slippage and pride our company on our ability to execute in a timely fashion. I don't go a hour during the work day, where I'm not addressing a current or future business situation and I try not to let any opportunities go by without addressing them or following up on them.
I'm thinking about just a new office system, no laptop and smart phone. I rarely take the laptop from the office these days. I should be able to get my files from my NAS (backed up into cloud) over the internet. So I think the laptop isn't that important anymore, at least for me and my work.