Carlson points

Those little dots are the nodes for the points.

from the help menu under "Draw Locate Points"

Draw Nodes Only inserts only a point entity (the node) and not the point block and symbol. This option is most useful when you have a lot of points to insert, because inserting only the nodes is faster than inserting nodes with the point block and symbol. Commands such as Triangulate & Contour and Make 3D Grid File can use these points, and do not need the point block and symbol.

also found

Each point is drawn by three entities:

point block
point node
symbol

I wouldn't delete them, but your points should be safe in the crd file.

turn off the pnts layer, or freeze it...you can also place that marker in a a different layer in the Draw field to finish and edit codes/points..

Ok, how do I turn them off if:
1) Freezing all of the points-related layers doesn't work.
2) Turning off all of the points-related layers doesn't work.

Or, how do I avoid them being there in the first place.

Thx

I don't understand why freezing the PNTS layer doesn't work for you.

I have Carlson 2008 Stand Alone with ACAD, and it works for my drawings. Maybe you have locked the layer? Or somehow protected the nodes?

I have set mine up to place different points in differing layers. Traverse, TopoPoints, utility, etc.... when I turn off or freeze the layers, the nodes are gone.

Are you drawing by field to finish or by drawing points??

Dtp

the node is just on another layer

cad has a DDPTYPE command where you can turn those into blanks, but any other cad point will turn to nothing as well

you can set it up to not draw those or freeze the PNTS layer or match properties and put them on the points layer.

> When I freeze my point layers in CES, there is a remnant "dot" where the point would be.

You mentioned Carlson CES (circa 2000)... is this the version with an embedded AutoCAD engine or do you have a version that works with an existing license of AutoCAD?

I seem to remember a bug in AutoCAD in the 2000 - 2004 era that involved freeze/thaw issues related to the layer of the first attribute definition within a block. I don't recall the exact version of AutoCAD that had the problem and as I recall, it was only found in one release of AutoCAD. My suggestion would be to freeze each of the PNT* layers (Number, Elevation, Description and/or Mark) and see if one of these layers is controlling the visibility of your point marker.

If this doesn't shed any light on the issue, feel free to send a copy of the problem DWG my way and I'll take a look.

lnelsonATcarlsonswDOTcom

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Ladd Nelson

Yeh, Had That Happen In The Past

The nodes are there and can be seen, but cannot be "picked" or "erased".

Check if they are on a locked layer, and it does not have to be a points layer.

PITA

Paul in PA

A wild SWAG way out of left field: Check to make sure PDMODE is set to zero.
"pdmode=0".

I've modified Carlson to work more to my liking, similar to EP, LDD etc. The reason is that when I wblock out part of a topo to use in creating or expanding another topo, the grouping is lost when I insert the wblocked points, symbols and lines into the new dwg. That makes it possible to accidentally move a point or symbol without moving the attribute block, resulting in multiple, differing coordinate listings with the same point number So, since I don't use different attribute layouts, instead I redefined the blocks srvpno0.dwg thru srvpno9.dwg by adding an acad point at the insertion point as well as anything else I would want. For example, srvpno1.dwg comes in as an X with a node in the middle, srvpno2.dwg has a circle with a node in the middle, srvpno3.dwg has a triangle with a node in the middle, etc. Srvpno0.dwg just has the acad point, which works well when the F2F library adds another symbol, like a hydrant. I keep Group Point Entities off. Since there's no way to circumvent Carlson from inserting acad points along with the attribute blocks, after I reduce F2F (or use Draw-Locate Points) I run a lisp that kills all acad point entities in the dwg. Then, I isolate the symbols and remove the XData from them so they are not linked to the CRD file. Lastly, I run another lisp that stamps the points with the name of the user who created them and the date. This way, I have only one acad entity that represents the field shot, which comes in on a layer named, for example, "Survey Point-Water Line", as well as a symbol which comes in on layer "Survey Symbol-Water Line". Works great for me.

Edit: Prior to build 120219, the Shrink Wrap Entities command does not honor the attribute blocks. So I was using that command before deleting the acad points.