Carlson

Try saving your field rw5 file under a new name and do your editing and processing in that file. You may find that you have inadvertently loaded up your original field rw5 file instead of the edited one and the edits were not saved in that file.

No, I haven't. I save an archive in a different folder.

This can't be happening to just me, can it?

This isn't a one-time thing for me - it's been going on since CS 2007, I think.

I know what you're talking about and it's been the same for me since 2008. I just make sure to delete those line the rw5 file each time I re-process. Sometimes I have to revise a rod height change I missed or some such foolishness..

Uh, rw5 means RAW which equals Raw data.
You don't erase out of your field book, therefore you shouldn't
be able to delete from your raw file.
To me that rw5 file is a court document, don't revise it.

There are many ways to get your data out of carlson into
working coordinates.

I like that feature, I know exactly what happened in the field,
it should be hard to revise.

> Uh, rw5 means RAW which equals Raw data.
> You don't erase out of your field book, therefore you shouldn't
> be able to delete from your raw file.
> To me that rw5 file is a court document, don't revise it.
>
> There are many ways to get your data out of carlson into
> working coordinates.
>
> I like that feature, I know exactly what happened in the field,
> it should be hard to revise.

WTF does that mean?

Yeah, I get it. That's why I said that I saved a copy of the rw5.

Did you take a look at Carlson? Edit-Proces Raw Data File, command? Or did you just want to lecture me about not F-ing with court documents?

Chill Dude!! Just because someone does things different than you is no reason to get your panties in a wad. Life is just TOO short to get wrapped all that tight. Save all those "WTF"'s to when you really need them. 😉

An RW5 file is pretty much worthless as proof of anything -- they're too easy too create and edit. Still, I leave the original alone and make my edits in a backup. (I do erase in my field books, though.)

:whistle: :-$

well duh, of course you save the rw5 file, re-name it and then download and edit it....I rename my rw5 file ####_Original...

my point was that I experience the same type of frustration as JPH if you're interested in analyzing my practice then lets discuss.... I didn't realize this was a pre-court room drama fest and lecture on file preservation... jeez, relax a little bit won't ya??

By the way, how often have you taken a rw5 file to court, or even a field book? Me, never, in 30 years and maybe 60 cases? I wouldn't have any problem introducing the records kept as a matter of normal business practice... Even if edited and saved...

Anyone can type up a shiny new RW5 file. We use TDS SurveyLink to download the raw files and have it create an encrypted, binary copy of each RW5 at the same time (AR5 file). That's the one that gets backed up.

Try to exit the raw data program and restart it. That may clear out that frustrating residue raw data. I have the same problem

Deleting points in the .crd is not the same as deleting the rw5 entry.

Pitfalls:
Overwriting the same point number can result in either an average of the two, using the first, or using the last.

Deleted points will reappear.

If you modify the point northing easting or elevation, it writes that point in as a hard point. Reprocessing will not apply any changes to the point.

To directly answer the question as to why the points keep coming back: many people do not like the idea of editing the rw5. It makes them uncomfortable. Carlson recognizes this, and so does not delete your observation when you delete a point in the crd.

When you process the rw5, the info is there so it creates a point. I sometimes just modify the description of the point. Apparently, everyone is ok with changing that in the raw data. So I just change the description to "IGNORE".

(editing the crd description can change the rw5 description)

> To directly answer the question as to why the points keep coming back: many people do not like the idea of editing the rw5. It makes them uncomfortable. Carlson recognizes this, and so does not delete your observation when you delete a point in the crd.
>
> When you process the rw5, the info is there so it creates a point. I sometimes just modify the description of the point. Apparently, everyone is ok with changing that in the raw data. So I just change the description to "IGNORE".
>
> (editing the crd description can change the rw5 description)

I am in the rw5, processing it, and delete the bogus NEZ of the setup. I process it and import the points through F2F. Then I find either a rod height or something that I want to change. So I go into the editor again, and somehow the PT line appears again, with the assumed NEZ, which I need to delete again. And sometimes it shows up further down in the file, in a place where I may have changed setups, or just re-set.

So, why does this happen? Foggy said that it happens to him too. I'd like to make it stop.

I think that dmyhill has the answer. When it's processed there are functions going on in the background that retain that data. I've just gotten used to deleting those lines again.

How about your Units Control? Do those change without notice, rhyme or reason? I find mine switching from surveyors units to Radians mid stride. Or, when your osnap selections disappear or arbitrarily turn on and off? Two other common issues I've learned to live with.

I believe you changes are not being saved until you exit and it asks you to save the changes.

We have 7 seats of Carlson Survey and this happens on none of them. Units do not change by themselves nor do deleted items reappear.
It's quite possible that something in your current software has gotten scrambled. I would suggest downloading the latest build of your software from the Carlson website and see if that fixes the problem. If not, I would call or email the folks at Carlson Support and see what they say.

Carlson>cptdent

I have reloaded carlson probably 6 times since I've had it, most recent;y last Nov when I switched out computers.

I've just learned to live with it. Through 3 different computers, and I did send my template drawing and several drawings to Ladd for his review. No clues...

Carlson>cptdent

F3? I have a BIG problem with that issue!!
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F3=Fast Fat Fingers:-P