Use the command "CGLIST" and then hit "P" for Points and click on the two points that you want to inverse between. See the attached image. If you have a line drawn between the two points then DON'T hit "P" for points, just select the line. Pretty simple, but yes, they need to make a true inverse command.
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Thanks for all the replies. I learned a few useful things
I have used C3D before and even though it it is rather unwieldy I think I would enjoy the level of customization it affords. but it would probably take me a few months to get up to speed with it.
I use old software - Softdesk8 on ACadR14. and even though it is very old I am very comfortable with the commands in it. I wish I could find similar commands in C3D.
Sometimes I am given the task of sorting out a muddle created by technicians (button pushers). In this case I am working on a topo drawing in C3D.
I want to be able find the numbers of all the shots taken to one control station from other stations.
This task is not too difficult in Softdesk. I can pick a window and it will give me the number and description of ALL the points in that window. depending on the command I can get all the points in the project, in the current drawing, or only the layers that are turned on.
For example if I want obs to point 401. I will use the line command to highlight point 401 in the drawing. cancel. then from points menu , the 'display project points -> by window' command will give numbers of all points in the project inside that window.
another command i use often is " points -> stakeout -> radial -by distance". this command was designed for another use but it can be used to give the point numbers and the distance from the "known point".
once you know the command it is fast and easy, it is right there on the drawing screen, and most importantly, it does not add any lines or points to the original drawing.
I was hoping that there was something similar in CIVIL 3D.
The command suggested above is very helpful and will get the job done but is not as efficient as the Softdesk features.
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You can use the command osnapz change the varible from either 1 or 0 and then use the di command
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> For example if I want obs to point 401. I will use the line command to highlight point 401 in the drawing. cancel. then from points menu , the 'display project points -> by window' command will give numbers of all points in the project inside that window.
I'm not sure I'm following you exactly, but I think what you are looking for is "Point Groups". You can create named sets of points, selected by various methods or combinations of methods (for instance - points within a selected window that have the descriptor "CP" but elevation greater that 444.44'). The Toolspace is the handy thing in C3d where all this goes on.
Steve Boon, post: 305987, member: 416 wrote: I'm not sure what the difficulty is here. Open the Inquiry tool, choose Point inverse and pick two cogo points. Seems pretty simple to me.
Simple, but mind bogglingly over complicated and clunky as all hell. In TBC CTRL"I", in Terramodel IP Enter. Autodesk has REALLY dropped the ball on this one, so much so that people buy a point inverse subroutine from Smartdraft for $50 or drop $1700 for Carlson because C3D is such a POS It seems to me that if you have a program that is $9k you should be able to get your act together on the very simplest of commands. To me it's just pathetic.
And this is one of the many reasons why I believe Carlson is hands down the solution for surveyors.
Another handy tool that is "hidden" in C3D is the "line and arc information" button.
It has to be manually added to a toolbar (I added mine to the inquiry bar). But you can use it to list bearing and distance of any line or polyline, and list the curve data for arcs. It doesn't label them, just lists them (you can copy and paste that text if you want).
It is a really handy tool I use a lot....it sounds like it might help you as well.
Mark Macfarlane, post: 404969, member: 12237 wrote: Simple, but mind bogglingly over complicated and clunky as all hell. In TBC CTRL"I", in Terramodel IP Enter. Autodesk has REALLY dropped the ball on this one, so much so that people buy a point inverse subroutine from Smartdraft for $50 or drop $1700 for Carlson because C3D is such a POS It seems to me that if you have a program that is $9k you should be able to get your act together on the very simplest of commands. To me it's just pathetic.
If you're a fan of typing commands then Civil 3d will accommodate that. The command to start the Inquiry tool is RUNINQUIRY - start typing that into the command line and hit enter when it pops up. Of course this is AutoCAD based, so you can create or edit any of the command aliases to suit your preference. You can also customize a toolbar, ribbon button or whatever other method you want to use in order to access the command.
1man Surveyor, post: 306340, member: 4792 wrote:
For example if I want obs to point 401. I will use the line command to highlight point 401 in the drawing. cancel. then from points menu , the 'display project points -> by window' command will give numbers of all points in the project inside that window.
Select any point in the editor view, right-click and use the "Zoom To" or "Pan To" options.
Select one or as many C3d points as you like, right-click and use the Edit points command to display only the ones you're interested in.
1man Surveyor, post: 306340, member: 4792 wrote:
another command i use often is " points -> stakeout -> radial -by distance". this command was designed for another use but it can be used to give the point numbers and the distance from the "known point".
once you know the command it is fast and easy, it is right there on the drawing screen, and most importantly, it does not add any lines or points to the original drawing.
The closest option for that would probably be the radial stakeout report in the Toolbox.
And yet another way...........I'll assume that you are wanting to compare calculated boundary to measured boundary locations. I have point styles for both types of points that "flatten" the marker to elevation '0.00' so that there is no need to toggle osnapz. I set my angular units in autocad to surveyors units (and typically leave it there, this only affects the output to the properties box not the input format for commands other than vanilla acad commands). Then I draw a line from node to node, click the line and look at it's properties which will be displayed as a bearing and distance, and a quick glance at the start and end z confirms that the line is flat. I find this easier than labeling the line or stepping through the ribbons to the inquiry tools. I usually run with this set up as it makes it easy to check lines that I have drawn at record bearing and distances.
Answer: call your nearest Carlson dealer and get the latest Carlson survey. Heck it's on sale right now with the holidays. Load it onto C3D. Now it's just a matter of switching profiles to and from C3D but believe me it makes it better for simple things such as inverse, traverse, stakeout, cutsheet, point translations, etc. I'm sure a Civil 3der will prove me wrong in the court of public opinion, but C3D is not surveyor friendly. There's usually an answer within C3D, but more times than not it's convoluted.
Randy Rain, post: 405207, member: 35 wrote: And yet another way...........I'll assume that you are wanting to compare calculated boundary to measured boundary locations. I have point styles for both types of points that "flatten" the marker to elevation '0.00' so that there is no need to toggle osnapz. I set my angular units in autocad to surveyors units (and typically leave it there, this only affects the output to the properties box not the input format for commands other than vanilla acad commands). Then I draw a line from node to node, click the line and look at it's properties which will be displayed as a bearing and distance, and a quick glance at the start and end z confirms that the line is flat. I find this easier than labeling the line or stepping through the ribbons to the inquiry tools. I usually run with this set up as it makes it easy to check lines that I have drawn at record bearing and distances.
That is almost exactly how i work too Randy. I prefer this method much more than a point to point inverse entry. When comparing calculated to measured values I also find the Trimble as-staked report very useful as it report the residual from the calculated point to the as-staked points. it works great for construction staking but also works well for comparing calculated mon values to found monument values. One or two mouse clicks and it's done.
Here is a free point number (or name) oriented inverse tool for Civil3D. Creates two short commands INUM (for numbers) or INAM (for names). Example usage:
First Point Number: 138
Second Point Number: 147
138 N:1396.9336 E:1412.3686 Z:181.3780
BR: S 10å¡4'26" E HD: 105.2071
AZ: 169å¡55'34" SD:105.7127
DX: 18.3136 DY: -103.0849 DZ: 10.3270
SL: 9.8%, 5.6å¡, 10.2:1
147 N:1415.2472 E:1309.2837 Z:191.7050
I'm baffled that anyone would think that inversing between points in C3D is difficult. :confused:
