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(@bow-tie-surveyor)
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I am in the market for photogrammetric processing software and was wondering if anyone out there has used Datumate (I think the name of their current software is called DatuSurvey). I saw a demo for it a few years ago and as I remember it had an issue with the amount of photos you could process at one time. If you are working with it currently, what are your impressions of the software?

 
Posted : March 24, 2017 11:34 am
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We tested it thoroughly and were never able to get good results with it.

 
Posted : March 24, 2017 11:38 am
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For the price i would suspect some recent results. Not worth the cost?
Which photogrammic software do you use instead?

 
Posted : March 24, 2017 11:46 am
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beuckie, post: 420121, member: 2245 wrote: Which photogrammic software do you use instead?

I'm hearing a lot of buzz about Pix4d.

 
Posted : March 24, 2017 11:59 am
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I just finished testing Datamute's DatuSurvey and I wouldn't recommend it. It has a limit of 500 images, so large projects won't work. They have a great concept of being able to draft planimetrics and break lines directly on the imagery, basically stereo compilation behind the scenes, but many of the vertices of the lines I drafted did not compute correctly and I had huge horizontal and vertical errors. You can manually correct these, but I found it to be very time consuming. The point cloud is accurate with GCP's, but you have to do manual classification in another software like Global Mapper. DatuSurvey does not classify points and it only generates a DSM. They say they are currently working on a DTM routine.

 
Posted : March 26, 2017 8:32 pm

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Bow Tie Surveyor, post: 420116, member: 6939 wrote: I am in the market for photogrammetric processing software and was wondering if anyone out there has used Datumate (I think the name of their current software is called DatuSurvey). I saw a demo for it a few years ago and as I remember it had an issue with the amount of photos you could process at one time. If you are working with it currently, what are your impressions of the software?

I recommend you contact Eric Colburn, he is a DatuMate representative. He provided me with a demo packet for evaluation. The Datumate is impressive, but akin to most LIDAR and CRTP, there is an element of post-processing. I found Datumate to be powerful and straightforward.

 
Posted : March 27, 2017 5:09 am
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beuckie, post: 420121, member: 2245 wrote: Which photogrammic software do you use instead?

We've been using Pix4D, I'm pretty impressed with it. I also have the TBC photo module and Inpho UAS Master.

 
Posted : March 27, 2017 5:25 am
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We've used Datumate software for a year and a half, with excellent results. There is a learning curve based on your camera setup. Our photos were taken ground based, or oblique with a 24mp Sony originally. Now we're working with a 20mp, drone mounted camera. The workflow is very similar between the two, which cut down on our learning curve.

I will say, the largest site we've mapped is about 5 ac. Terrestrially, we used it to map piping on natural gas and potable water facilities. Thus far, our drone use has consisted of ALTAs, stockpile quantities, intersection mapping, and site design topo.

The most recent topo we did, we also shot the ADA ramps conventionally, and saw a maximum difference of 0.13'.

Our typical workflow is creating points in DatuSurvey, just as you'd locate them in the field. Then export a csv, and bring the points into Civil 3D. We process them as a typical field file. Generally, we can guarantee 0.15', but are usually seeing around 0.10'.

If anyone has any questions, feel free to message me. I hope this helps.

~Raybies

 
Posted : March 27, 2017 6:58 am
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Bow Tie Surveyor, post: 420116, member: 6939 wrote: I am in the market for photogrammetric processing software and was wondering if anyone out there has used Datumate (I think the name of their current software is called DatuSurvey). I saw a demo for it a few years ago and as I remember it had an issue with the amount of photos you could process at one time. If you are working with it currently, what are your impressions of the software?

We tested it and got decent results getting line work and elevations on specific objects, but it didn't generate otrtho's.

 
Posted : March 27, 2017 8:32 am
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David C. Newell RPLS LS CFM, post: 420425, member: 6347 wrote: We tested it and got decent results getting line work and elevations on specific objects, but it didn't generate otrtho's.

David, depending on the version of the software, it will generate Orthos, pointclouds, surfaces, etc.

 
Posted : March 27, 2017 10:08 am

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Bow Tie Surveyor, post: 420116, member: 6939 wrote: I am in the market for photogrammetric processing software and was wondering if anyone out there has used Datumate (I think the name of their current software is called DatuSurvey). I saw a demo for it a few years ago and as I remember it had an issue with the amount of photos you could process at one time. If you are working with it currently, what are your impressions of the software?

HI, you can contact our team at [email protected] and see for yourself. You can also get a free trial.

 
Posted : March 28, 2017 5:18 am
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Liel Anisenko, post: 420606, member: 12604 wrote: HI, you can contact our team at [email protected] and see for yourself. You can also get a free trial.

Thank you; I just sent my request for demo.

 
Posted : March 28, 2017 5:22 am
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Moe Shetty, post: 420607, member: 138 wrote: Thank you; I just sent my request for demo.

Hi Moe, Great.
Please let me know if you need any additional support.

 
Posted : March 29, 2017 1:28 am
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Michael Detwiler, post: 420382, member: 12520 wrote: I just finished testing Datamute's DatuSurvey and I wouldn't recommend it. It has a limit of 500 images, so large projects won't work. They have a great concept of being able to draft planimetrics and break lines directly on the imagery, basically stereo compilation behind the scenes, but many of the vertices of the lines I drafted did not compute correctly and I had huge horizontal and vertical errors. You can manually correct these, but I found it to be very time consuming. The point cloud is accurate with GCP's, but you have to do manual classification in another software like Global Mapper. DatuSurvey does not classify points and it only generates a DSM. They say they are currently working on a DTM routine.

If the limit is 500 images it is pretty useless in my point of view. I have a church scanned from the outdoors and they have already 1300 images.

I have already a couple of packages for designing in pointclouds from a scanner but only want one for photogrammetry. My wallet has its limits. Anyone use the Inpho suite from Trimble?

 
Posted : March 29, 2017 6:35 am
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I just found out the trial is limited to 500 images. I don't know if there is a limit for the full version purchased software.

Raybies - in response to your post. How much manual editing of your points did you have to do to refine the positions prior to exporting to a cvs? I found the polyline digitizing could be wildly innacurate on some vertices.

 
Posted : March 30, 2017 1:33 pm

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If you are processing more than 500 images, would you care to share the specs of the machine you are using to run the processing? That seems like a long wait.

 
Posted : June 2, 2017 2:19 pm
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I run a desktop with 32GB RAM, NVIDIA Quadri M4000 video card, 8 core processor, 2x 1TB hard drives.

 
Posted : June 2, 2017 9:19 pm
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0.13' error on ADA Ramps? that seems like asking for trouble.

 
Posted : June 3, 2017 9:26 am
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Andy J, post: 430886, member: 44 wrote: 0.13' error on ADA Ramps? that seems like asking for trouble.

I think that's the reason they shot them conventionally. I inferred that he was noting the differences for the ramps because they had good values for comparison.

 
Posted : June 3, 2017 9:38 am
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Jim Frame, post: 430888, member: 10 wrote: I think that's the reason they shot them conventionally. I inferred that he was noting the differences for the ramps because they had good values for comparison.

Ok... he said "excellent results".

 
Posted : June 3, 2017 10:20 am

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