Tommy Young, post: 454654, member: 703 wrote: 's not your right or obligation to discipline someone else's kids.
I agree, but when I was a kid if you did something wrong you were fair game to any adult in range. 😉
Dave Karoly, post: 454460, member: 94 wrote: There is a special place in hell for adults that hit children.
It is not necessary.
You are bringing up a child, not conducting a reign of terror.
[USER=94]@Dave Karoly[/USER] This is inflammatory. This is the ONLY reply in this thread that accuses people who DO spank their children as bad. The civil discourse, prior to and after your response was awesome. Your response is the only one that angered me.
I spanked my children. I'd do it again. It was the right thing for us to do. Whether or not you think it's okay is up to you, but lamenting there is a special place in hell for people who use corporal punishment is beyond the pale. No one is advocating beating a child by using corporal punishment. You really should have chosen your words better. You're better than this Dave.
FL/GA PLS., post: 454659, member: 379 wrote: I agree, but when I was a kid if you did something wrong you were fair game to any adult in range. 😉
This is how it was when I was growing up. I received several spankings from other parents for acting up. We were all respectful to all adults because any one of them could spank you.
Why I think I needed 'em & got 'em.
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Frankly, I just chuckle about it all now.
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Kris Morgan, post: 454671, member: 29 wrote: [USER=94]@Dave Karoly[/USER] This is inflammatory. This is the ONLY reply in this thread that accuses people who DO spank their children as bad. The civil discourse, prior to and after your response was awesome. Your response is the only one that angered me.
I spanked my children. I'd do it again. It was the right thing for us to do. Whether or not you think it's okay is up to you, but lamenting there is a special place in hell for people who use corporal punishment is beyond the pale. No one is advocating beating a child by using corporal punishment. You really should have chosen your words better. You're better than this Dave.
Maybe it is inflammatory, maybe it needs to be in order to get people's attention. If it makes you feel any better, I don't really think that, just think about what you are doing.
Although the typical American will ignore it if it's inflammatory because that's the excuse, it's inflammatory but if it isn't inflammatory, such as Jim's post, then they ignore it because it doesn't get their attention or they can ignore it because they think it doesn't apply to them.
Don't hit your children, it isn't necessary. I think it's a bad practice; I brought up two, never hit them, they turned out fine, didn't turn into bad people as is often the excuse given, they'll turn into bad people if we don't hit them (or use the euphemism, spank). If you don't hit your children then I will have to deal with them as adults is the reasoning for which there is little evidence to back it up.
The practice of spanking, supposedly not in anger, is deeply ingrained in this country, that's the way we've always done it. Just because we've always done it doesn't make it right.
[USER=94]@Dave Karoly[/USER]
But Dave, you only raised girls (nice looking I might add). Boy's are a whole different ball game. Don't forget all the hell you raised as an adolescent. 😉
Dave Karoly, post: 454714, member: 94 wrote: Maybe it is inflammatory, maybe it needs to be in order to get people's attention. If it makes you feel any better, I don't really think that, just think about what you are doing.
Although the typical American will ignore it if it's inflammatory because that's the excuse, it's inflammatory but if it isn't inflammatory, such as Jim's post, then they ignore it because it doesn't get their attention or they can ignore it because they think it doesn't apply to them.
Don't hit your children, it isn't necessary. I think it's a bad practice; I brought up two, never hit them, they turned out fine, didn't turn into bad people as is often the excuse given, they'll turn into bad people if we don't hit them (or use the euphemism, spank). If you don't hit your children then I will have to deal with them as adults is the reasoning for which there is little evidence to back it up.
The practice of spanking, supposedly not in anger, is deeply ingrained in this country, that's the way we've always done it. Just because we've always done it doesn't make it right.
See, now that was a bit more professional and not nearly as antagonistic. You may have forgotten that this forum is a bit more polite than FB [USER=94]@Dave Karoly[/USER] . Like I said, I'm good with how you wanted to raise your kids. I totally and 100% believe there is a time and a place for a spanking. No beatings.
If one were to look at the "Hot Stove" rule and it's theory, then they may see the benefit of a spanking immediately. Not hours later, but right then and there, it instills a negative reinforcement for the act. Rarely did I have them happen twice.
FL/GA PLS., post: 454719, member: 379 wrote: [USER=94]@Dave Karoly[/USER]
But Dave, you only raised girls (nice looking I might add). Boy's are a whole different ball game. Don't forget all the hell you raised as an adolescent. 😉
Don't say that. My boy (20 and who shares a birthday with [USER=94]@Dave Karoly[/USER]) only got two REALLY good ones and maybe a handful of others. My 16 year old, 5' tall, blond haired and blue eyed daughter, well that's another story. She's just as stubborn as her mother's husband, and what she lacks in intelligence from learning from her actions, she makes up for in a pain threshold on her gultius maximus. I'll go to my grave believing the only thing that keeps her half on the right path is a fear of me and I'm not sure shes really scared of me. I'm quite sure she's not scared of anyone else. She will be the one to either excel beyond my wildest dreams, or fall short.
My two kids are so different it's not even funny. 🙂
We raised twin boys and before they were born I swore we wouldn't spank them... my in-laws got a chuckle out of that. With all due respect, anyone who has never contended with two or three year old twin boys knows not of what they speak. My wife probably dished out most of the spankings because she was the one that was always around. We didn't beat them, abuse them, or hurt anything beyond their pride, and they were smart enough to learn very quickly what their boundaries were. As I stated earlier, the sight of a wooden spoon was generally enough to stop whatever undesirable behavior was occurring, it was rare that it was actually applied. I can report truthfully that at the age of 27 they're two of the finest young men you could ever have the good fortune to meet, but I'll be humble and refrain from bragging on their litany of accomplishments.
The good Lord knew better than to bless me with female children, but I'm sure I'd have acted quite differently with a daughter.
Dave Karoly, post: 454460, member: 94 wrote: There is a special place in hell for adults that hit children.
It is not necessary.
You are bringing up a child, not conducting a reign of terror.
Is that the same hell the women are going to that didn't vote for Hillary Clinton? If so it might not be too bad of a place.
"You are bringing up a child, not conducting a reign of terror."
A true enough observation, but funny to me in some respects. From a child's point of view I would assume ANY parental correction is a "reign of terror" whether it's a flogging or simply being grounded for the weekend. I've seen some children react to a five minute time-out like its 20 year sentence to hard labor in the Gulag.
No correction or discipline is probably accepted by the young recipient as joyful.
Kris Morgan, post: 454727, member: 29 wrote: I'll go to my grave believing the only thing that keeps her half on the right path is a fear of me
My mother literally pruned several dwarf peach trees to death, cutting switches to discipline me and my four siblings. I was a willful, stuborn child and adventurous as well. There is no doubt in my mind that my life would've taken a different path had she not cared enough to teach me that actions have consequences.
Kris Morgan, post: 454672, member: 29 wrote: This is how it was when I was growing up. I received several spankings from other parents for acting up. We were all respectful to all adults because any one of them could spank you.
Heaven help the adult that lays a hand on my kid. Seems to me, kids (people) should respect adults (people) because they deserve respect, not because they can spank (hit) them. Let's start calling spanking what it is: hitting with an open hand or hitting with an object. It is an adult hitting a child, nothing more, nothing less.
Stephen Ward, post: 454824, member: 1206 wrote: My mother literally pruned several dwarf peach trees to death, cutting switches to discipline me and my four siblings. I was a willful, stuborn child and adventurous as well. There is no doubt in my mind that my life would've taken a different path had she not cared enough to teach me that actions have consequences.
I was a teenager before I knew that a flyswatter was meant to be used to kill flies.
I was spanked from time to time, I didn't like it :-)...so I don't do it to my kids..
I am glad that those of you that don't know the difference between spanking and hitting do not spank your children.
lmbrls, post: 454964, member: 6823 wrote: I am glad that those of you that don't know the difference between spanking and hitting do not spank your children.
A euphemism is a euphemism.
lmbrls, post: 454964, member: 6823 wrote: I am glad that those of you that don't know the difference between spanking and hitting do not spank your children.
Please do explain the difference and how you measure and define that difference.
Edward Reading, post: 454986, member: 132 wrote: A euphemism is a euphemism.
Is a euphemism. I stated the difference between hitting and spanking earlier. I raised 3 law abiding Daughters who contribute to society. They learned that they were not the center of the universe and were to respect others. I am sure many of you who disagree with spanking can say the same. However in recent years, we have more suicide, mental illness, violence, and a general disrespect for others. It would be a gross simplification to state that this is totally blamed on fewer parents and schools using corporal punishment, but the timeline just happens to correlate. If you have raised well behaved citizens, I applaud you and would never tell you that your approach was wrong. However, you and the government are unqualified to govern my household, as I would be to govern yours. I respect the opinion of those who disagree and do not question their intelligence or motives.
lmbrls, post: 455050, member: 6823 wrote: I respect the opinion of those who disagree and do not question their intelligence or motives.
In these times, you're an outlier. Anyone that doesn't kowtow to the thinking of those on the coasts is an uneducated, backward, knuckle dragging rube to be mocked and scorned that has a special place in hell.
