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Understood.
I'm not sure I'm allowed to do that yet even, as I am remote, and don't have the list of expectations and responsibilities I created and?ÿ that I've been mulling of after this week.
Nor any idea when I would have time.
We'll see.
Thanks again.
Have already been sniffing. Lots of same names and groups of them.
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It's going to work out either way.
Thank you for all the feedback.
My most important lesson from a now dead mentor was to " Know what you don't know, that way you can ask the questions that matter"
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Woohoo.?ÿ Sunday, homework and relax till the grinder staff meeting tomorrow.
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Are the duties of a survey project manager drafting primarily or is that just the circumstances I'm finding myself in because I am remote and b that might just be the way they run their company?
The duties of a survey project manager are as varied as the number of firms employing staff with the title survey project manager.
FWIW I had two successive jobs with the title Senior Project Manager: at one I was out on a light rail line putting targets on rails to be monitored in the driving rail at 11:00 PM; at the other I was shooting sporting clays at The Homestead with the owners of large construction companies. ?ÿ
Now I'm literally having nightmares about how to make sense of the no figures no auto line work no description key filtering for layers and symbols using the 'template' which is just blocks and lists of different types of lines and symbols and blocks of text which I understand is the way people used to do this and I appreciate that but to unlearn what I've learned and been using for the past several years has been absolutely tormenting.
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If you know Field to Finish, and can implement it, your value will be proved...
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Problem is that the world is consumed by the fire occurring in front of you (overwhelming workload).
Ask the boss: can I dedicate 4 days a week to drafting and one to F 2 F until I get it implemented. Sell it. This would be far superior to trying to carve out 2 hours a day. If you could work from home on the day you are getting the description key sets created and the line codes setup, then this would be best.
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No worries.
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I was just fired for not being able to cowboy draft from $H!T field work.
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Is ok, I also just got contacted by the company I turned down to be a party chief in a place I'd love to be working and living.
This won't even appear on my resume.
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Their loss.
And thank you for your candor and comments!
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Whew. No more nightmares.?ÿ
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Here is how I would (and, more or less, did) implement an F2f System for C3d from scratch:
1. Set up 10-20 descriptor keys to sort points to appropriate layers on import.
- CP - control points
- FD - boundary points
- DTM - ground shots, breakline points
- GL, TC - gutter line and top of curb
- EC, EP, EG - Edge concrete, asphalt, gravel
- SAN -sanitary
- STM - storm
- WTR - water
- GAS - gas
- ELC - electrical
- COM - communications?ÿ
- UTIL - other utilities not otherwise?ÿ
- PLAN - planimetric shots (ie/items not shot for valid elevations, such as fences ,building walls, etc.
Just use the simple STANDARD point and label style at this point and deploy it. Starting with the template file you already have you could put this together in an hour or 2.?ÿ As you map isolate each group and deal with them separately (ie/ map the sanitary, then map the storm, then the water, then the curbs. This will speed you up considerably.
2. Then add a series of layer filters to your template to facilitate isolating these layer groups. Time maybe 1 hour. Deploy that.?ÿ
3. Begin to build specific point styles and incorporate them into your descriptor keys. Start with the most common types. San and Storm manholes. Then water valves and meters. Then gas valves and meters? Deploy as you go.?ÿ Build a style or 2 for each new drawing. In 2 weeks you will probably have 90% of your needs covered in that area.?ÿ Deploy.
4. Begin figure styles. Develop common figure styles such as GL, TC, etc. and?ÿ add them. Concurrently add them to a Figure Style database.?ÿ One or 2 a day or per drawing.?ÿ After a few more weeks you have the bulk of your uses covered. Deploy as you go.
5. Return to step 1 and add more keys group by group, with point styles and figure styles to match. This process goes on forever.
So.... no step in this is a big time suck. You do it in odd minutes, which can be "stolen" from every project.?ÿ Since you are stealing equally from all it isn't really any different from setting aside non-billable development time. Since your productivity increases with every step it isn't really stealing anyway. No need to ask anybody's permission. It's just how you roll.
Immediate returns, but probably 3-6 months to get something that is really working to the point that you would be willing to share. Then the refining goes on for years.?ÿ ?ÿ?ÿ
We have a very similar set up starting with description key sets and all of it. Took a while and was told the total value was well over?ÿ 100k to develop and tune it.
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Matters not now, I'm free of the Plat Mill.
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Who wants a beer?
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I am curious - how long have you been at this job, and how much longer do you plan to stick it out if everything stays the same as it is now?
I'd take either one of those over what I just experienced being dumped into a meat grinder with no support and no help and expect it to succeed it's just a ridiculous model of failure.
That's how they make their money that's fine by me because I was never going to get enough encouragement and/or support to get a license there just basically help them hold down their bottom line which is making money.
Their Huckleberry is out there I'm sure they'll find them.
I was just looking for other work the jobs that I had turned down and was told that I can part ways today nice enough that they'll pay me for the rest of the week but at the same time I let some really great opportunities off the table because they were in a position where they needed to hire someone and I committed to the wrong person I had five offers I picked the worst one out of the five hey everything in life is about experience and timing hopefully this other place that really wants me still wants me bad enough that I'll be able to move into it and take it and hit the ground running.
A lack of punctuation misspelling and crappy interpretations is all due to Google's voice engine.
I began actively looking after the second week because I knew that I wouldn't last in this place they beat me to the punch which is fine because they got money to make and I have place to go and miles to go before I sleep something about that death wish movie..... ?????ÿ
No worries.
I was just fired for not being able to cowboy draft from $H!T field work.
Is ok, I also just got contacted by the company I turned down to be a party chief in a place I'd love to be working and living.
This won't even appear on my resume.
Their loss.
And thank you for your candor and comments!
Whew. No more nightmares.?ÿ
Been there, never happened.?ÿ Congratulations!?ÿ Sweet freedom!
The evil side of me knows that I have a substantiated case for misrepresentation and even gross misrepresentation based on the documentation or lack thereof and even the lack of communication no job description etc etc etc if I really wanted to make their lives a living hell I could but frankly I don't want to waste any more of my life with these idiots because eventually the crappy surveying that they're doing will burn them to the ground cuz bad plat factories all go out of business eventually
Glad to hear you got out of there.?ÿ My shortest employment stint was also only 3 weeks.?ÿ Big mistake - it doesn't show up on my resume.
There is always a better job.?ÿ You just need to find it.
One thing to take away from this experience is how important it is for the applicant to ask lots of questions of the prospective employer.?ÿ There are no one way streets in employment.?ÿ?ÿ
Good luck.
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Yep.
I asked lots.
I even asked a question in an open forum online In a national based meet up. He didn't even flinch not participating in the process the question unfolded. Shows severe lack of integrity and I'm glad to not have to participate in that.
All good.
Lessons are good when you move forward.
Spark plugs changed, beer purchased and chicken soup is being prepped for the week.
Getting out was the best and probably only solution, whether resignation or firing. Once you found out you weren't a good fit in a clown show it just became a matter of time. Sooner is a lot better than months of suffering with each day worse than the one before and you slowly going mad. Don't fret over it, and don't waste one minute living in the past.?ÿ
Chk!
I've already been contacted by a previous interested and supportive firm that called me to ask me if I was still available and interested in their position.?ÿ Sometimes the universe really is trying to get your head out of your keister. I'm getting better at listening to her.
Thank you for being such awesome surveyors and people!!!!
@jitterboogie if you ever want to work in Northern California and are interested in complex boundary retracement, look me up.?ÿ Although we work occasionally with a one person crews, we usually run two person.?ÿ We don't pigeon hole people and you would do the job under my direction from start to finish with insights from other project surveyors.?ÿ I think it is the best way to learn.?ÿ?ÿ
We do quite a bit of work with attorneys and expert witness work.
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We do quite a bit of work with attorneys and expert witness work.
And catch Wicked SteelHead it seems too from the Avatar.
Wilco. I'll send you a PM with my stats, and you can peruse and critique and I'd welcome any feed back. Thank you for the support an encouragement.
I drove about 4000 miles in Northern Cali through damn near everywhere, then just outside of Beale AFB( DragonLady sings!) and then all the way down to Solvang to LA to Depart.
I saw parts of Northern Cali that were just amazing, and no people to boot. Nice area to do what you're describing.
Their goal is to help me get to PLS, and replace the guy(my soon to be supervisor) thats going to leave in 5 years maybe less.?ÿ
Should be an amazing return to closer to where I need to be than drafting point to point with no standards or guidance.
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And Kudos to your website!?ÿ It has a great wealth of information for the Non-survey person that might be seeking, and even direct them to the questions that they might have for your group before calling.?ÿ Well done indeed.?ÿ?ÿ
