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Jim in AZ, post: 328798, member: 249 wrote: How do you know that your surveyor was "way off." What does he say when you tell him this?

He was correct we have discovered this afternoon

paden cash, post: 328782, member: 20 wrote: Way off WHAT??? If you've got a crystal ball that can determine whether a pin is "way off" or not, I wanna borrow it.

I wish I had a crystal ball.and I was wrong to say he was way off,I was thinking out loud and should not have written it down. He was correct,we got out the deed and found out he started he measuements from 25ft. from the centerlline of the road.making me right to begin with.

::pops popcorn::

English, Johnny. English please. Maybe it's a IN,KY term not recognized by other parts of the civilized world.

Clarification for those of you not in the uncivilized parts of the world... 😉

::pops popcorn:: means that I am enjoying this thread so much that I have popped popcorn, put my feet up on the desk and cracked a cold beverage.

😀

It applies in many other situations as well. For instance, when one would enter a Kent post from the old site and see that someone is getting quite the survey 101 lesson, it would be appropriate to type...
::backs slowly out of thread:: in lieu of getting called out themselves.

"I see", said the blind man to the deaf man.

Like this?

Debbie, A good surveyor can be a great help. He can work with you to get this issue resolved.

Debbie, post: 328805, member: 10253 wrote: The guy whose survey we are disputing his intials ARE CB!
We have just discovered thru this helpful website that my surveyor is indeed correct. I wondered how it could be tihis man, has a very good reputation as I am told, By the way, the one I hired, was initials PT. I would never tell him he was wrong, but, I was thinking out loud how that could be. This neighbor does illegal things on his land,and he is not a very good neighbor. I called the cops on him and the CA told me they would prosecute him if I could prove he pulled them up,by the way he admitted he did to the police officer, He said it was not a pin ,but, a stake(same difference I thinK).

Debbie....you need to be sure. Terminology. When a surveyor sets a "pin" it's often an iron rod in the ground (with a cap on it with the surveyor's number in my state"). We usually put a wooden guard stake next to it. If he pulled the wood guard stake, the pin may still be in place and findable by eye or with a metal detector.

Debbie, post: 328812, member: 10253 wrote: ... My hired surveyor was way off....

Debbie, post: 328812, member: 10253 wrote: ... He was correct we have discovered this afternoon....

Debbie, post: 328812, member: 10253 wrote: ..... I was thinking out loud and should not have written it down. He was correct,we got out the deed .....

Shoot first, ask questions later, huh? I hope you are more than a little bit embarrassed. I hope you will confess your sins and personally apologize to this surveyor you have besmirched in an international forum of his peers.

Norman Oklahoma, post: 328960, member: 9981 wrote: Shoot first, ask questions later, huh? I hope you are more than a little bit embarrassed. I hope you will confess your sins and personally apologize to this surveyor.

Alexander Hamilton shot first but unfortunately he didn't aim.

JBrinkworth, post: 328874, member: 6179 wrote: Clarification for those of you not in the uncivilized parts of the world... 😉

::pops popcorn:: means that I am enjoying this thread so much that I have popped popcorn, put my feet up on the desk and cracked a cold beverage.

😀

It applies in many other situations as well. For instance, when one would enter a Kent post from the old site and see that someone is getting quite the survey 101 lesson, it would be appropriate to type...
::backs slowly out of thread:: in lieu of getting called out themselves.

Indeed. Didn't I say right away this was going to get interesting real quick.
Be sure to get us some extra butter!
E.

This is exactly why I want to create a moderated area for public questions. It turned rude really fast against a person just looking for some solid and helpful advice. Even if the answer is, "You should hire a local surveyor," there was no need to be insulting and make her feel like her problem was a big joke. Is this how professionals should be treating a member of the public that knows little or nothing about surveying? No, we should be acting like professionals and giving her good advice and maybe a bit of education about how surveying works.

I will be sending Debbie an apology.

Maybe she was wrong in some of the things she said and/or did. But she is not a surveyor and likely doesn't know much about surveying in general. This is where we step in to help educate her instead of turning it into a rudeness festival.

Are there really 21 million licensed surveyors in Indiana? (Going by your number)

Norman Oklahoma, post: 328960, member: 9981 wrote: Shoot first, ask questions later, huh? I hope you are more than a little bit embarrassed. I hope you will confess your sins and personally apologize to this surveyor you have besmirched in an international forum of his peers.

Wendell, post: 329075, member: 1 wrote: This is exactly why I want to create a moderated area for public questions. It turned rude really fast against a person just looking for some solid and helpful advice. Even if the answer is, "You should hire a local surveyor," there was no need to be insulting and make her feel like her problem was a big joke. Is this how professionals should be treating a member of the public that knows little or nothing about surveying? No, we should be acting like professionals and giving her good advice and maybe a bit of education about how surveying works.

I will be sending Debbie an apology.

Maybe she was wrong in some of the things she said and/or did. But she is not a surveyor and likely doesn't know much about surveying in general. This is where we step in to help educate her instead of turning it into a rudeness festival.

thank you for the apology,I have a very thick skin and can take the good with the bad,I can admit I should not have said what I was thinking, but ,my surveyor was right in the first place,I shouldn't have allowed my neighbor to get by with this as long as I have. It just aggravated me that have let this go so long. thank you for the help I really am grateful.

Tom Adams, post: 328956, member: 7285 wrote: Debbie....you need to be sure. Terminology. When a surveyor sets a "pin" it's often an iron rod in the ground (with a cap on it with the surveyor's number in my state"). We usually put a wooden guard stake next to it. If he pulled the wood guard stake, the pin may still be in place and findable by eye or with a metal detector.

He pulled up the iron pin and the wooden stake and dug a 3x5 hole in the ground with an Excavator,so as to prevent me from putting the pin in the ground,No ground to put it in, I guess, as he sees it. Wonder what he will think from his cell? He told us what he did because he was unaware we had purchased the property,he was drunk that day,and had a good laugh about it until we told him who he was telling all this too.

Debbie, hope everything works out for you....I run into people like that when I'm out surveying all the time....it's a shame that neighbors will act that way...good luck....

Debbie, post: 329179, member: 10253 wrote: He pulled up the iron pin and the wooden stake and dug a 3x5 hole in the ground with an Excavator,so as to prevent me from putting the pin in the ground,No ground to put it in, I guess, as he sees it. Wonder what he will think from his cell? He told us what he did because he was unaware we had purchased the property,he was drunk that day,and had a good laugh about it until we told him who he was telling all this too.

Using the term "stake" is typical in how you used it. Even in the profession we often say we are "staking" the property corners even if we are "pinning" them. I only offered that advice since you could have meant pulling the wood stake. Sometimes the landowner actually thinks the wooden stake is the corner.

Anyway, I'm glad it worked out. The only "thin-skinned" people in this discussion were ones who got all excited when you said someone from their profession was way off. It's what you thought and you said it. Nothing wrong with that.

Surveyors tend to live so deeply in their own zone, and it takes time to LISTEN, and communicate what we do, what we did, and what we will do, that communication errors are all too common. Keep asking questions. You may learn more than you wanted to learn, but the more you know, the more you can enjoy your land. Land ownership is a good thing. Keep it up!

N

My question would be did the guy pull up the rebar or just the winess stake?
Another question is why aren't you asking YOUR surveyor these questions?

If everyone accused of pulling out the points actually did it, we'd have no corners left.