I was wondering if someone could tell me the measurement for determining the placement of the first pin from the centerline of a public highway in Madison county,Kentucky. My hired surveyor was way off, either at this measurement or the ending measurement. Maybe I can figure it out if I have the information about the beginning measurement,that is based, I believe, on the centerline of the highway. this is a rural road ,2 lanes. Anyone that can give me that information I would be eternally grateful. thank you
If you have a County Surveyor, ask him/her about the correct right-of-way limits for that route and whether or not that route was surveyed so that the center of the hard surface would fall precisely along a specific line relative to the boundary line of your tract. Many roads do not follow a specific line relative to an adjoiner's boundary line. That is why this is so important to know.
Your question is too specific for us to give you a definitive answer. It is possible, however, that there is at least one regular participant here who has some familiarity with your specific county. Not a strong possibility, though.
Debbie, it will vary depending on if it is maintained right-of-way (county) or a state highway....you say it is rural, it could be anywhere from 15' to 30' from centerline. Is the property fenced along the right-of-way? Does the deed go from the centerline of the highway? Need a little more info to come to an answer...
Holy Cow, post: 328772, member: 50 wrote: If you have a County Surveyor, ask him/her about the correct right-of-way limits for that route and whether or not that route was surveyed so that the center of the hard surface would fall precisely along a specific line relative to the boundary line of your tract. Many roads do not follow a specific line relative to an adjoiner's boundary line. That is why this is so important to know.
Your question is too specific for us to give you a definitive answer. It is possible, however, that there is at least one regular participant here who has some familiarity with your specific county. Not a strong possibility, though.
I am not a surveyor as you can tell,but my surveyor was at least 6-8 feet off at the back of the property. I suspect his first pin placement at the highway is the reason. My neighbor pulled it up,and we forced him to put it back but he placed it 6-8 feet from where my surveyor put in the pin. I can't understand why this has happened. Any ideas??
Debbie, post: 328771, member: 10253 wrote: I was wondering if someone could tell me the measurement for determining the placement of the first pin from the centerline of a public highway in Madison county,Kentucky. My hired surveyor was way off, either at this measurement or the ending measurement. Maybe I can figure it out if I have the information about the beginning measurement,that is based, I believe, on the centerline of the highway. this is a rural road ,2 lanes. Anyone that can give me that information I would be eternally grateful. thank you
This will get interesting real quick.
My first thought is to get a 2nd opinion (i.e. another surveyor) to have a look.
Are you disputing something or just think your surveyor is wrong?
In my neck of the woods we don't set pins outside the right-of-way. Maybe a point on the line just off the ROW.
Other more knowledgeable folks will certainly chime in.
Eric.
Time to engage an attorney and have the adjoiner pay to have the surveyor put the pin back where the surveyor placed it. This will also alert the neighbor to the fact that one should not play tiddly winks with survey monuments set by professionals. There are laws that address this malicious damage to your property.
If the neighbor wishes to retain the services of a different surveyor to find all of his property boundaries then he might have a case to dispute the current placement. Until then it is nothing more than his opinion (desire). Most importantly, do not allow yourself to be bullied.
rberry5886, post: 328774, member: 232 wrote: Debbie, it will vary depending on if it is maintained right-of-way (county) or a state highway....you say it is rural, it could be anywhere from 15' to 30' from centerline. Is the property fenced along the right-of-way? Does the deed go from the centerline of the highway? Need a little more info to come to an answer...
Thank you very much for anwering. I see you are from Ky! It is a maintained state road. 977 or College Hill Rd. in Waco,Ky
Yes, the deed goes from the centerline of the road. and no it is not fenced( by the county,)at least but my neighbor has a fence,it is 15 feet from the centerline of the highway.
I bet you know the man that surveyed this too,he has been in business many years,in this area. Your area.
Debbie, post: 328771, member: 10253 wrote: ...My hired surveyor was way off, either at this measurement or the ending measurement...
Way off WHAT??? If you've got a crystal ball that can determine whether a pin is "way off" or not, I wanna borrow it.
Debbie, post: 328771, member: 10253 wrote: I was wondering if someone could tell me the measurement for determining the placement of the first pin from the centerline of a public highway in Madison county,Kentucky. My hired surveyor was way off, either at this measurement or the ending measurement. Maybe I can figure it out if I have the information about the beginning measurement,that is based, I believe, on the centerline of the highway. this is a rural road ,2 lanes. Anyone that can give me that information I would be eternally grateful. thank you
- The measurement for determining the placement of the first pin from the center-line of a public highway in Madison county,Kentucky is what ever the record says it is.
- If your hired surveyor is licensed in the state of Kentucky and disregarded the record dimension; then you should contact to the board of registration for land surveyors and complain. If he's not licensed then you get what you paid for.
- What makes you "believe" the measurement is based on the center-line of the highway? More than likely, it is, but; the center-line is defined by the survey monumentation and not the physical pavement or paint stripe.
Something your surveyor maybe didn't tell you: He cannot be an advocate for where ever you want your lines to be. He's not showing you where your line is; he's showing you the line you share with your neighbor; even it's a public highway.
Holy Cow, post: 328780, member: 50 wrote: Time to engage an attorney and have the adjoiner pay to have the surveyor put the pin back where the surveyor placed it. This will also alert the neighbor to the fact that one should not play tiddly winks with survey monuments set by professionals. There are laws that address this malicious damage to your property.
If the neighbor wishes to retain the services of a different surveyor to find all of his property boundaries then he might have a case to dispute the current placement. Until then it is nothing more than his opinion (desire). Most importantly, do not allow yourself to be bullied.
This neighbor pulled up the pins 2 times and we paid to put them back! It seems mighty strange that a surveyor that has been at this stuff for over 30 years would be wrong! Maybe once, but not twice. But we had the cops tell him to hire asurveyor to put the pin back,but they were very close friends of his,but would a reputable surveyor listen to a drunkard,and place the pin where he wanted it? I really don't think they would,I also can't believe my surveyor would be wrong, twice. We have just discovered that our surveyor went back 25 feet from the centerline of the road and the pin that was placed back WAS wrong! But the plat that my neighbor used was an old survey that was NEVER recorded,doesn't that make it illegal.?
If the standard scenario is 15' or 30' your surveyor had to have a very good reason for using 25'. There is something that he knows that apparently others are ignoring. I doubt very much that he goofed.
Unrecorded surveys are not illegal. In fact, in many places they are extremely common.
Windy, Twisty rural roads like that...let's just say the pavement is hardly ever centered in the right-of-way.
Debbie, post: 328771, member: 10253 wrote: I was wondering if someone could tell me the measurement for determining the placement of the first pin from the centerline of a public highway in Madison county,Kentucky. My hired surveyor was way off, either at this measurement or the ending measurement. Maybe I can figure it out if I have the information about the beginning measurement,that is based, I believe, on the centerline of the highway. this is a rural road ,2 lanes. Anyone that can give me that information I would be eternally grateful. thank you
How do you know that your surveyor was "way off." What does he say when you tell him this?
You need to consult with your surveyor and request that he/she explain in a detailed manner what evidence they relied upon to establish that location.
Their record of survey should have all of this information, but you may have to have them explain it to you in layman terms. If you have additional evidence that the surveyor is not aware of, you should present this, even if it is an un-recorded document.
Jeremy
Debbie, yes I am in Lexington and have done a lot of surveying in Madison County (I am the Fayette County Surveyor) and in Waco. I have had a few problems with a couple of surveyors in Madison, probably the one you hired. Not to be too unethical, but are his initials CB?
Also, it is a Class "D" felony in the State of Kentucky to remove a survey monument.
Debbie, post: 328787, member: 10253 wrote: This neighbor pulled up the pins 2 times and we paid to put them back!
That right there surely starts it all.
In some states (in your case a Commonwealth) that is completely illegal and prosecutable.
I told you this would get interesting real quick!
E.
rberry5886, post: 328802, member: 232 wrote: Debbie, yes I am in Lexington and have done a lot of surveying in Madison County (I am the Fayette County Surveyor) and in Waco. I have had a few problems with a couple of surveyors in Madison, probably the one you hired. Not to be too unethical, but are his initials CB?
Also, it is a Class "D" felony in the State of Kentucky to remove a survey monument.
The guy whose survey we are disputing his intials ARE CB!
We have just discovered thru this helpful website that my surveyor is indeed correct. I wondered how it could be tihis man, has a very good reputation as I am told, By the way, the one I hired, was initials PT. I would never tell him he was wrong, but, I was thinking out loud how that could be. This neighbor does illegal things on his land,and he is not a very good neighbor. I called the cops on him and the CA told me they would prosecute him if I could prove he pulled them up,by the way he admitted he did to the police officer, He said it was not a pin ,but, a stake(same difference I thinK).
BigE, post: 328804, member: 435 wrote: That right there surely starts it all.
In some states (in your case a Commonwealth) that is completely illegal and prosecutable.
I told you this would get interesting real quick!
E.
Oh believe me it will,he is on 5 years probation for felony pot growing.
rberry5886, post: 328802, member: 232 wrote: Debbie, yes I am in Lexington and have done a lot of surveying in Madison County (I am the Fayette County Surveyor) and in Waco. I have had a few problems with a couple of surveyors in Madison, probably the one you hired. Not to be too unethical, but are his initials CB?
Also, it is a Class "D" felony in the State of Kentucky to remove a survey monument.
I think I replied to the wrong person I was trying to reply to you it is on the next post down I wanted you to know that the surveyor we are having trouble with his initials are CB We used PT for our surveyor when we bought this land
imaudigger, post: 328799, member: 7286 wrote: You need to consult with your surveyor and request that he/she explain in a detailed manner what evidence they relied upon to establish that location.
Their record of survey should have all of this information, but you may have to have them explain it to you in layman terms. If you have additional evidence that the surveyor is not aware of, you should present this, even if it is an un-recorded document.Jeremy
Doesn't my survey,the one that is recorded in the zoning and plannng office of Madison county,Ky stand as the final end all and be all in the thing?
