Trimble TBC office version question

I think I should have been more clear about what I am asking, I am interested in L1 L2 processing software engines. I have a R8 and R7 that are L1/L2 and it has been great to use opus on the single base data. But of course now I want more and have been using different software to get a feel for what I like (and or need) I have tried TGO version 1.6 with the rinex dates program (thanks for making that) and I like it because it seems simple but would like to skip the rinex dates changing and move a little further forward using cors station data. I then tried RTKLIB as I have used it with Ublox L1 chips but do not really like it or trust the results. I then tried Trimble Business center version 2.50 (the no longer available free version) it does not post process but let me feel my way around how it works and I like it for adding points and bringing in data from Trimble Terrasync devices by entering in the data by hand. And based on the comments I have read here I was going to buy the new Base version with L1 processing only but something tells me I won't be happy without the L2 but I really have no way to really know until I buy it. And last I have been using GNSS Solutions that has both L1 and L2 processing and I can bring in cors sites for baselines and do static, but it is really hard to edit things that are really easy in TBC or TGO. I tried to import GNSS solution processed data into TBC but could not do it because I thought I could use GNNS solutions to process and TBC to do work. I only use this to do as builts of points like sewer pipes and water valves and lines that we have installed or repaired. I was using Trimble Terrasync before which was fine with it's 4" accuracy but after I read about opus and dat files and T01 and T02 file formats and rinex I felt ripped off that I could not use the file format I had to use any of the tools you guys had to use and could only use terrasync. And boy the setup and data collection routines I have to do over and over to get a good system down to not come home and have collected worthless data all day. But I am working on pipes all day and just let the receiver sit there and log data.

If you are happy processing in GNSS Solutions it is easy to import the processed vectors into StarNet.

I'm using the latest version of TBC and it has come a long way, much better. I think it's 3.70

I'm a rev or two back on TBC (I think I have 3.60 or so), and in general I like it almost as much as I liked TGO. The ability to apply absolute antenna models is critical to my work, and I'm not sure there's another commercial package out there that will do that.

My main gripe about TBC may pertain to other software as well: with large-ish projects (e.g. 2k vectors) it runs slow. Just changing the antenna height measurement point takes several seconds, and I have to do that with every single imported file, because TBC defaults to the phase center and all my height measurements are to the ARP.

Jim Frame, post: 384197, member: 10 wrote: I'm a rev or two back on TBC (I think I have 3.60 or so), and in general I like it almost as much as I liked TGO. The ability to apply absolute antenna models is critical to my work, and I'm not sure there's another commercial package out there that will do that.

My main gripe about TBC may pertain to other software as well: with large-ish projects (e.g. 2k vectors) it runs slow. Just changing the antenna height measurement point takes several seconds, and I have to do that with every single imported file, because TBC defaults to the phase center and all my height measurements are to the ARP.

Jim you can quickly and easily change all of the antenna heights and references in one shot if you do it in the Data Checkin dialogue.

TGO gives you a fixed integer solution on L1 on short baselines, but it still uses L2 to get to that solution. You will get much better results on any length baselines using L1/L2. Without L2 data you can't model the ionospheric (mainly) and tropospheric biases and you don't have the option for wide laning.

TBC works well processing short baselines. I take data from iGage OPUS_90 and process baselines without issue. as far ans using L2 for ionospheric and tropospheric modeling on shorter baselines I don't think it matters.

Lee D, post: 384201, member: 7971 wrote: Jim you can quickly and easily change all of the antenna heights and references in one shot if you do it in the Data Checkin dialogue.

That hasn't been my experience. Once a project gets a couple thousand vectors in it, the check-in dialog is very slow to respond. I assume this is due to the size of the database.

I may have missed a feature, but the way I've been doing it is to click on the antenna measurement point drop down for each file shown on the check-in dialog and change the reference point. The time delay from click to change is on the order of 3-5 seconds for each occupation. Is there a way to highlight all of them and change all at once?

Jim Frame, post: 384211, member: 10 wrote: That hasn't been my experience. Once a project gets a couple thousand vectors in it, the check-in dialog is very slow to respond. I assume this is due to the size of the database.

I may have missed a feature, but the way I've been doing it is to click on the antenna measurement point drop down for each file shown on the check-in dialog and change the reference point. The time delay from click to change is on the order of 3-5 seconds for each occupation. Is there a way to highlight all of them and change all at once?

The only thing I can think of is trying to do it in the occupation spreadsheet after you import them.

Dave Karoly, post: 384214, member: 94 wrote: The only thing I can think of is trying to do it in the occupation spreadsheet after you import them.

I tried that. It appears to be essentially the same interface as the import dialog -- likely hooked right into the database -- and it has to wait for the database to search through and respond to the update request. Slow, in other words.

Jim Frame, post: 384224, member: 10 wrote: I tried that. It appears to be essentially the same interface as the import dialog -- likely hooked right into the database -- and it has to wait for the database to search through and respond to the update request. Slow, in other words.

The one thing I still miss from TGO is that it used a microsoft access database, which is very accessible. It was fairly easy to write programs that would read and edit that database. For whatever reason they went to a proprietary database in TBC.

Well I tried another program Carlson Survey Gnss which I had high hopes for because it was right in the middle for price and was a modern still being sold product but it just kept crashing on my system (windows 10 or XP) so I just decided not to fight with it. I ended up buying the GNSS Solutions dongle key so that I could have L1 L2 processing. Price was good for what it is $945 but it is a discontinued product so I only get what I get with it. I will probably end up having to buy TBC in the $2500 range someday anyway but for now the GNSS Solutions should fit the task at hand . Thanks

In Checkin after you change the first one you can get an option to change them all - I don't have TBC open right now but I think you just right-click on the one you edited, you should get Change All to ??? or something like that.

Jim Frame, post: 384224, member: 10 wrote: I tried that. It appears to be essentially the same interface as the import dialog -- likely hooked right into the database -- and it has to wait for the database to search through and respond to the update request. Slow, in other words.

Vector spreadsheet, select a vector, Ctrl-A(select all), Right click select properties, There will be a pulldown menu Antenna Phase Center Change to ARP, then just below it change the height.

That has been annoying me lately, I swear it used to default to ARP.