@norman-oklahoma I don't know why such a small change matters to me, but I much prefer the bearing from than bearing to in order to tie to the 1/4 corner
see also the old caltrans videos and PDFs. ?ÿLinked from here:?ÿ https://github.com/elil/Caltrans
Supplying the chord data will satisfy the cardinal directions but you still need to know which way it is actually rotating.
@jon-payne I have gotten in the habit of "...to the beginning of a curve concave southerly with a radius of...." the surveyors in my area don't use chord bearings or distances for curves, just the standard Length, Radius, Delta.
From the Point of Beginning, which bears S 890 37?? 13? W 400.80??...
I'm not a fan of starting at the POB.?ÿ I would suggest doing "Commencing at the N 1/4 corner of Section blah blah bearing/distance to a point, said point being the Point of Beginning; thence..."
This is a matter of style of course, and I don't think there's anything wrong with the way you worded yours.?ÿ I just like moving 1 direction as I read through the description.?ÿ Also, +1 for not putting the word "true" in front of your POB.?ÿ ???
Thence along the centerline of a road, N 370 04?? 38? E, 362.45?? to a point of curvature...
There are a couple concerns here.?ÿ 1.)?ÿ What is the name of the road??ÿ If it has one, say it:?ÿ "Thence along the centerline of County Road 21...".?ÿ 2.)?ÿ Is this an existing road??ÿ If so then I think you need to be careful here.?ÿ You are making a call to a monument (the existing road) and a bearing and distance call.?ÿ If the bearing and distance call is record information and the road has been graded or re-paved (probably wasn't even built exactly according to plan in the first place) over the years then chances are those centerline dimensions are no longer representative of conditions in the field.?ÿ Unless you surveyed the road and determined the centerline be be those dimensions then I would either simply call to the centerline of the road, or I would word this sentence a bit differently, for example "Thence along the centerline of County Road 21, said centerline bearing blah blah distance to a tangent curve to the right...".?ÿ If the road hasn't been built yet then you obviously can't make a call to any part of it.
with a chord bearing N 520 21?? 41? E for a distance of 106.7??
It's not clear to me if this distance dimension is the chord length or the (implied?) arc length.
Thence along the centerline of the same road
The same road as...??ÿ The one you drove on to get to work today??ÿ The one you happened to look at on google earth a couple years ago??ÿ The road previously mentioned in this description??ÿ ????ÿ "Thence along the centerline of said County Road 21..." is how I would handle this.?ÿ Remember, you don't want to give the reader the opportunity to misinterpret what you're talking about.
Thence N 180 26?? 35? E 236.75??and then along the north line of the SE1/4 of Section 3 to the E1/4 corner.
This last sentence is kind of a mess.?ÿ 1.) there should be one more line with a thence for the final leg of the description.?ÿ 2.)?ÿ Is the last bearing and distance call supposed to land on the 1/4 section line??ÿ If so then say so.?ÿ 3.)?ÿ Assuming the second to last call is supposed to land on the 1/4 section line then you must have done the fieldwork to establish that line.?ÿ If so then where is the bearing and distance call to the east 1/4 corner??ÿ And if not then how did you come up with this dimension: N 180 26?? 35? E 236.75???
Here's an example of how I might try to word this:
"Thence N 180 26?? 35? E 236.75?? to north line of the SE 1/4 of said section 3,
thence along said north line bearing blah blah distance to the E1/4 corner of said section 3.
I like the idea of using concave because it's unambiguous but every license I've done descriptions for has thought it was ridiculous and confusing and so I haven't been able to use it... yet.?ÿ lol?ÿ But yeah, I'm also a big, big fan of the chord bearing.
Years ago I ran into a title company worker who discouraged the use of the term "quarter corner" , whether it be the east/west/north/south one.?ÿ She insisted it should be identified as:?ÿ the northeast corner of the southeast quarter of said section 32 (or whatever it was).
My preference is to Commence here and go through some description to reach Beginning there.?ÿ It is merely a preference.?ÿ It keeps the flow of the description going forward, rather than first looking back before going forward.
Some prefer to address how the centerline is only a centerline and that there is a need to add bits to the tract described when it starts and stops at any angle other than 90 degrees with respect to the starting and stopping boundaries.
My preference is to Commence here and go through some description to reach Beginning there.?ÿ It is merely a preference.?ÿ It keeps the flow of the description going forward, rather than first looking back before going forward.
"Commencing...Beginning" (or the "Beginning...True Beginning") along some established line also establishes a basis of bearing for the legal description.?ÿ
I'm waiting for my grade. Then im going to plaguerize his style to get past that situation, if it exists.?ÿ I read his "idyllic" version, and now i have to unwrite the road( no hints please, I'm happy to give it a real college try first)
plaguerize
Don't do that.?ÿ Try this instead.
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take (the work or an idea of someone else) and pass it off as one's own."he was fined $6,000 for having plagiarized the song"Similar:copy?ÿpass off as one's owninfringe the copyright ofpirate?ÿsteal?ÿpoach?ÿborrow?ÿappropriate?ÿrip off?ÿlift?ÿcrib?ÿpinch?ÿnick?ÿ
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copy from (someone) and pass it off as one's own."the author claims she was plagiarized"
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@bstrand?ÿ
The "concavity" form is rarely used in this area and as a result I have to really think about it when it is. So it goes. The point being that local custom should be respected.?ÿ ?ÿ
In Oregon and Washington the Willamette Meridian is always specified - even though it is the only meridian in the 2 states. There is no other. In Oklahoma the meridian was rarely specified even though there are 2 in play in the state.?ÿ
I can't help it
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These keys on the screen don't match my giant dinergrr sometimes.
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Upon hitting a curve, it is common to state if it is a tangent curve or a non-tangent curve.
around here, generally all curves are assumed to be tangent unless specifically called out as not
no hints please, I'm happy to give it a real college try first
that is also true around here, and generally the clue it is non-tangent is that they call out a bearing to the center, I rarely see "tangent" or "non-tangent" in a description.?ÿ
I have at times wondered WM is always there. I suppose it places it in a unique position on the entire earth, but generally we also include the county and state, so it is redundant. And in WA, putting N behind the Township is also redundant.
jfrems <jfrems@wattles.com>
That is the source I know of for Wattles. Fascinating anachronism, literally mail order only. (Can do email order, but no web store.)
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generally the clue it is non-tangent is that they call out a bearing to the center
Generally, I describe my curves with a bearing to the center. This shows if it is tangent or not, and if it curves to the right or left...
@dmyhill?ÿ
Yep.
Got it in March during the big 7 conference
Passed along to the classmates if they were wanting it for the course and career.
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I've been in contact via email several times but orders are done via phone.
