Do you have to get continuing education credits in your state?
I have to get 36 per renewal period because I am a dual-license.
This makes me not want to get my license in other states. I know some credits overlap, but it's still going to turn into a full time job just maintaining these licenses....
Dan,
24 in PA, as a PE, PLS I could judiciously acquire only 24, but there are worthwhile CEUs that are more field specific that I want to take. As a surveyor only, one can do quite a bit of minor engineering so almost anything overlaps. I would say I average 36 credits.
I am only a PE in NJ, but that requires 2 CEUs of NJ approved ethics. License renewal in PA is odd years, even years in NJ, in all probability I'll have 12 more credits before NJ renewal.
As a guess I would say 1/2 the NJ surveyors are also licensed in PA, for the engineers it is probably much less than 10%.
Paul in PA, PE, PLS
Dan Patterson, post: 358611, member: 1179 wrote: but it's still going to turn into a full time job just maintaining these licenses....
It is a full time job here...When I get CEU credits I just scan the certificate(s) and my HR staff keeps track of them, lets me know if I'm lacking any as renewal comes around, and takes care of the renewal. I'd have to ask them what my password is if I wanted to sign in to the Department of Licensing's website.
On the other hand, it's a full time job generating enough revenue to pay for that kind of unbillable overhead. 😀
Dan Patterson, post: 358611, member: 1179 wrote: Do you have to get continuing education credits in your state?
I have to get 36 per renewal period because I am a dual-license.
This makes me not want to get my license in other states. I know some credits overlap, but it's still going to turn into a full time job just maintaining these licenses....
In NC we are required to have 15 hours per year, we can get 30 hours and carry over 15 hours to the next year. Our renewal is yearly.
New Mexico requires 30 hrs. per renewal period, 2 must be ethics. Utah requires 30 also. So far Arizona and Colorado don't require continuing education.
I'm licensed in 8 states. My big problem is Florida. They will not give credit unless you go through a big rigamaroar to get the class pre-approved.
That is why I dropped Florida. Most of my states accept the credits through reciprocity. It does get tough trying to keep tract on different specific courses required every so many years.
Curious what courses, experiences etc you are required to undertake?
We have just introduced same here for Registered Land Surveyors (only people legally able to undertake boundary surveys) with 'Brownie points' for various type and numbers of surveys, but also courses, conferences etc.
Some of latter IMO have nothing to do with surveying or the field of expertise one works in.
Probably most common link for some is the swill after and during the event.
This has always been a sore point with me. I'd visit a local survey office and stand in the reception area silently browsing the certificates of excellence adorning the walls.
The reality of such excellence from personal observations and experience left me with very mixed feelings.
That firm wasn't alone and it transcended many industries.
Richard, post: 358678, member: 833 wrote: Curious what courses, experiences etc you are required to undertake?
We have just introduced same here for Registered Land Surveyors (only people legally able to undertake boundary surveys) with 'Brownie points' for various type and numbers of surveys, but also courses, conferences etc.
Some of latter IMO have nothing to do with surveying or the field of expertise one works in.
Probably most common link for some is the swill after and during the event.This has always been a sore point with me. I'd visit a local survey office and stand in the reception area silently browsing the certificates of excellence adorning the walls.
The reality of such excellence from personal observations and experience left me with very mixed feelings.
That firm wasn't alone and it transcended many industries.
The courses different states require vary. Some States have rigid requirements and go through a process to approve particular courses, and others are more loose. In reading some of the above, some states have a reciprocity from one state to another, so a guy with multiple licenses might be able to get credit for several of the states in one course.
Of course, there are guys who go to the courses, and don't listen to any of the instruction but are there merely to get their ce credits.
(p.s. are you sure you meant 'transcended"? That would imply they rose above the others, and from the context, I am wondering if you meant something else. just curious. Not trying to be critical.)
Thanks Tom
RE transcend.
I was meaning "go beyond", "cut across", but also rising above just the discipline of surveying.
Probably not best word to use.
Your query definitely not being critical from my view, and let others chip in.
(all part of my development):-)
Richard, post: 358693, member: 833 wrote: Thanks Tom
RE transcend.
I was meaning "go beyond", "cut across", but also rising above just the discipline of surveying.
Probably not best word to use.
Your query definitely not being critical from my view, and let others chip in.
(all part of my development):-)
Well...that sounds right then. All words have more than one meaning in different contexts. I pictured it to mean "better than everyone else"; above the norm. But anyway, your point taken.
There is no perfect catch-all for continuing education from what I've seen. We don't have it here. I have seen enough guys gripe that "it's just a way for the survey organizations to make money", and other such complaints. Including the complaint that it's hard to get the organization to approve a particular training.
I think that most of us should keep our education and skills honed, but those that don't, won't, regardless of what courses you "force" them to take.
30 hours in two year renewal period for a single license (LS or PE). Jumps to a total of 40 if licensed as both. Many potential classes are beneficial to both areas. The only PITA is the fairly new requirement for a 2 hour Minimum Standards class that you can only get through the state surveying society. Another way to get money from non-members, like nearly all out-of-staters.
Texas requires 12hrs yearly, 8hrs approved by topic and 4hrs ethics or State Standards.
With all the budget cuts and governmental oversights, someone on Capitol Hill attempts to do away with regulating agencies from time to time.
That is how our BOR has been added into a pool of agencies that probably do not have much in common, except being regulated by a common oversight committee.
Our profession needs leadership in government and if it takes money, the CEUs are a main street to fund that purpose, apart from donations.
Most of the monies our local Chapter gathers go to fund calculators and books for college students and to fund other needy groups that provide education for surveyors and a few scholarships.
The need for new and inspiring topics for CEU education is always a challenge.
Every state organization has a suggestion box open for replies, send in your wishes or author a campaign for a topic of your choice and contact your BOR.
My apology for entering this realm, some things need to be said from time to time.
"my bad" :gammon:
36 hrs here every 3 years.
You can take some online but I go to conferences and take courses on a wide array of topics. I think it's fun. But what do I know, I haven't had to take them for CE yet, I used to go to them a bunch before I was licensed
In Georgia it's 30 hours every two year renewal period. For those of us with both LS and PE we still need 30. 10 in LS, 10 in PE and the other 10 in one or the other. At least that is what I have been told by the BOR for the last 20+ years.
Andy
I know some states will alow non residents to use any credits their state of residence accepts.
It seems like acceptable PE credits are easy to find but PLS credits harder to come by online....