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How many of yƒ??all own an EV?

For those that do how convenient are the J1772 charging stations on a road trip?

What % of charging do you do at home?

Did you experience any difficulty adapting to no engine noise?

How often does it need to be serviced?

Which EV charge station provider do you use most?

Thanks, we are having heavy duty discussions about the want/need of an EV.

 
Posted : March 14, 2021 8:34 am
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I too am really thinking of getting a Tesla M3. Its only a matter of time before gas will be too expensive and or EV will be the "norm".?ÿ

 
Posted : March 14, 2021 9:31 am
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I still think the near-term optimum would be a plug-in hybrid.?ÿ Plug it in at home and don't burn gas going to the store, but have unlimited range by refueling with either gasoline or electricity as time and availability permit.

 
Posted : March 14, 2021 9:35 am
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@bill93

Probably a safe bet for now.?ÿ Petroleum fuel prices will probably continue to rise.?ÿ And fossil fuel for the "traveling public" can be viewed in some arguments as the least necessary.?ÿ Things like our goods and food supply/ delivery are far more important in some formulae than our ability to go visit Aunt Gussie on Sunday afternoon.?ÿ

I guess it all comes down to knowing when petroleum fuel either prices itself out of existence or is so scarce that its use becomes precious.

I'm all for EVs.?ÿ The world just has to adapt to them, not the other way around.

 
Posted : March 14, 2021 10:13 am
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Seems like a good idea for short around town trips. Except my wife can't remember to charge her cell phone, that will probably be a problem with the car as well....

I don't do hardly any local jobs, either long drive to a job or I fly. So it will be a while before I contemplate going EV for work. Actually, I probably never will, I only have a few more years left...

I do not see how the local electrical distribution grid will be able to handle EVERYONE charging their cars at night without a major overhaul. They can put up massive solar arrays, but the sun doesn't shine at night. Until they can store electricity on a massive scale for use later, I don't know how they can possibly get rid of fossil fuels.?ÿ

I have worked on a few large pumped storage projects https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seneca_Pumped_Storage_Generating_Station , and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taum_Sauk_Hydroelectric_Power_Station but the idea there was to pump water up to a reservoir at night for use to generate power in the daytime (reversible turbine/pump at the bottom). Nuclear runs 24h, so a lot of it was unused at night, same with coal, it wasn't a quick startup. Gas turbines are more able to quickly startup. So it should be interesting...I wish my father had lived this long, he was a EE professor, his specialty was power systems. He hired me when I was in high school to work in his lab when he was doing research on vehicle batteries, that was in the mid 70's. I'm sure he would have a lot to say about all of this...?ÿ?ÿ

 
Posted : March 14, 2021 10:42 am
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Not a practical vehicle for me.?ÿ Over 90 percent of the charging would be at home.?ÿ Might be good for day trips to the KC area but we haven't done that in a full year now.?ÿ Typically when I do my longest trips to courthouses on research I also take off on the back roads to check out one or more projects either going or coming back.?ÿ EV and mudgrip tires don't seem to be a match.

 
Posted : March 14, 2021 11:14 am
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I'd love an electric motorbike.

But the Harley Livewire is way too expensive here (nzd$64k)

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Posted : March 14, 2021 11:21 am
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Posted by: @john-hamilton

I don't know how they can possibly get rid of fossil fuels.

We're burning it now; it's not a renewable resource; it's a matter of when it will be gone, forever.

Like you said; not in my life time. But that doesn't mean that it's not inevitable.

 
Posted : March 14, 2021 12:31 pm
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I'm retired now and haven't made a single car trip over 80 miles RT in one day in over a year (wonder why?).?ÿ I'd buy an EV in a heartbeat but it's parking lot only for me, although I've been begging the landlord to install a few recharging stations for the last few years and he says he's working on it but it won't be tomorrow.?ÿ The total cost of purchase and installation comes in at around $50,000, with $16,000 of that coming from a Department of Transportation grant.?ÿ He'd get a percentage of the charging fees but it amortizes to over five years before he'd recoup his initial investment.

So I'm still driving around in a 2000 Hyundai 2 door manual tranny Accent with 180k miles on it.?ÿ It's tired but reliable and not a "steal me" target.?ÿ Actually a good off road car because it's so light.?ÿ Also got a built 2002 Jeep Wrangler with only 60k on it for adventuring but at 16mpg it's not a daily driver, poor thing has had less than 500 miles put on it last year, just enough to keep the battery charged and the "spinning things" lubed up. Crazy thing it's worth more now than when I bought it.

It's coming up on 20 years since I've bought a car.?ÿ I'm trying to stretch it to where EV cars are viable for me and I have no interest in contemporary gasser 6-speed auto 4banger turbo SUV style cars.?ÿ I'm enamored of switching both to an extended range 2-motor Tesla Cybertruck which would serve as a daily driver and actually has greater range than my Jeep when 4 wheelin'.?ÿ Of course that assumes Musk can actually deliver and the price is around 60k, not bad for an astounding performance on-off road car.?ÿ The key is it has an "active suspension" with 16" of range so although it's heavy and big it should do well in the boonies. May I live long enough to own one.

 
Posted : March 14, 2021 1:28 pm
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It's coming fast. I like this one:

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Posted : March 14, 2021 2:54 pm
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They don't show any roads that look like this.?ÿ We have plenty that are open county roads that look worse than this.?ÿ That's where they call for surveys because no one has a clue where the property lines are.?ÿ On Thursday I could have driven on a road like this.?ÿ Three days and about six inches of rain later, no way, Jose.

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Posted : March 14, 2021 3:47 pm
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@dougie

Oil will never be all used up. It will just become more and more expensive to extract until it eventually becomes less economical than an alternative.

After all, we are already manufacturing methonol and biodeisel from plants. In WW2 gasoline was synthesized from coal.?ÿ There are a number of schemes in development to produce fuels using CO2 in the air as a basis.

 
Posted : March 14, 2021 4:15 pm
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Posted by: @mark-mayer

Oil will never be all used up

OK, so we end up with a couple of puddles on the ground...

We all need to let it go and move on; to the next fuel(s)

 
Posted : March 15, 2021 7:50 am
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@bill93

I have a Toyota Corolla (Fielder) station wagon hybrid - non plug in, so it gets its electricity from the petrol engine in it or regeneration. It's a great wagon, and does 5L per 100km. I wouldn't hesitate to get another. The tank is only 35L but with the hybrid we get about 650km per "tank".

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Hybrid (NKE165) 1,496?ÿcc (91.3?ÿcu?ÿin) I4 (1NZ-FXE) 74?ÿPS (54?ÿkW) at 4800 rpm, 111?ÿNƒ??m (82?ÿlbƒ??ft) at 3600-4400 rpm E-CVT
 
Posted : March 15, 2021 3:24 pm
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Posted by: @richard-imrie

Converting units for those of us in the two backward countries that don't do metric, I get 47 mpg and range?ÿ of about 400 miles, both very respectable figures.

Curmudgeon note: I don't know why we got in the habit of quoting miles per gallon.?ÿ?ÿ In normal activities you don't say "I have X gallons of fuel, let's see how far I can go." You normally have a distance to go, how much fuel do I need, as in gallons per 100 miles or as you stated it, liters per 100 km.?ÿ

When using mpg you lose sight of the fact that going from 10 mpg to 20 mpg cuts your consumption more than changing from 20 to 30, etc.

 
Posted : March 15, 2021 3:44 pm
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@bill93

By comparison I also have these two, which do about the same at 13L/100km

Red = BMW E30 325i 1986 (pre-facelift), straight six 2.5L.

Grey = BMW E53 4.4i 2006 (facelift) X5, v8 4.4L.

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Posted : March 15, 2021 4:47 pm
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@dougie

I'm going to recommend cockleburs, cotton weeds and Johnson Grass for biofuels.?ÿ Bindweed, jimson weed and multiflora rose could be added in to the mix just as well.?ÿ Any kind of thistle would surely make for a higher octane/cetane rating.

 
Posted : March 15, 2021 6:10 pm
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Posted by: @holy-cow

Any kind of thistle would surely make for a higher octane/cetane rating.

I had a friend that worked for the Nebraska DOT. Part of his job was to monitor criminals that were assigned work along I-80. They would carefully place a bag, over the head of a Canadian Thistle, containing the billions of little seed distribution floaties, preventing it from unleashing it's inhumanity on the surrounding community. So my buddy says; these guys would be working away, and I'd look over the fence and see 40 acres of nothing but Canadian Thistle. And just shake his head...

 
Posted : March 15, 2021 6:45 pm
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@dougie

More proven reserves are known of now than when I was born...and when I was born was supposed to be peak oil. Could be a thousand years.

 
Posted : March 17, 2021 8:08 am
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