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Had to send down a mylar to get signed and notarized in California. Beforehand I repeated with annoying insistence how certain ink needed to be used. Additionally, Washington state requires black ink. (Apparently California notaries are allowed to freely express themselves and no one cares about making any copies or scans?)
Issue number one is that the transmittal and expediting was through a real estate office. They have certain skill sets (getting things sold, getting paid, and making too much money) that engineers and surveyors seem to lack. But, when you work with engineers and surveyors all day you tend to come to expect a certain level of attention to detail and excessive skill in problem solving.
So, they could NOT find anyone with the right ink. I called around and found appropriate ink at a store nearby. Didn't help the situation because it seems all the notaries they have available to them have self inking stamps and...I really don't understand the issue. In my world you figure out what needs to be done and you get it done...but then again my professional experience is largely as a party chief and coming back and saying, "Sorry can't be done," isn't really an option. (To be fair, getting paid 6% of the value of a project is something I cannot do, so please don't think I am saying real estate agents are stupid. If you compare the cars we drive, it appears their skills may be in more demand.)
So, EVENTUALLY, they found a notary with something other than purple or green or pink ink. Black ink! But, it still isn't the right type. So I begged them to at least not roll the things and let them sit for a few days and maybe give it a chance to dry. I don't know how it will turn out...
It was actually easier to do an "impossible" job in the field as a party chief...
I feel your pain, I have been sending along pens and ink with the plat, just makes it simpler. The few dollars are worth it.?ÿ
I've also found some of my mylar will take ink that other types will not, the big plotter takes one kind, the mylar we send through the copier needs another.?ÿ
We like to add a Post-It note just above where the wet Ink is, helps with the wet ink smudging. I cringe when I have to Fedex a Plat to get signed. On the plus side the ones I have to Fedex are usually nice big jobs, so it doesnt hurt that much to send a Pen and the Plat.?ÿ
I plot the Notary information, Health Department stamp, and County Planners stamp. No fuss no miss.
And Treasurer's certification.
I send the pen in a zip lock and an instruction sheet but still end up with some wtf results.
What everyone else says about this. When I send these things out there is a cover letter with step by step instructions and the mylar document is plastered with post-et notes repeating the instructions. Things like "DON'T FOLD THIS DOCUMENT" somehow get ignored so they get to do it again.?ÿ I've had CA Notary's return mylars with an acknowledgement stapled to it which won't cut the mustard with recorders. That makes no sense, they are more worried about the form than the portability of it.?ÿ
Curious though, what jurisdiction is still requiring a mylar??ÿ The term still resides in some municipal codes but none of the counties that I work in need or want it. Yesterday, I filed a short plat (vellum) in Snohomish County and the Auditor gave me back the original after scanning it into the system. She even sent me the pdf image in an email.?ÿ :d ?ÿ
Yes, we do that for WA notary...but I dont have the California, I didn't necessarily know what state it would be when we created the document.
Yeah, we did the step by step, and we sent the pen. It is for a small town that still wants mylar for some reason. I tried talking them out of it about 30 times.
Apparently, even sending the ink won't fix it. They couldn't find anyone without a self-inking stamp.
It is interesting to me that essentially they failed to find anyone in the Bay area that had even stamped a mylar before. I even tried calling engineering and surveying offices in the area to see if they knew of anyone, and it seemed like most of them had never done anything with mylar.
One way or another I think it will work out.
Two days ago, my co-worker refinanced his house in about 15 minutes from his desk. Signatures and all.
It is insane that we cannot have .pdf's, with digital signatures, for recording. Especially since they just hand the original back to you.
King County wants white paper with black ink so it will scan. Well, if you are scanning it...that is no longer an original. How about I provide you with a document that is an actual factual original, that can be reproduced as an original an infinite amount of times? (Digitally signed .pdf)
It is coming, but it am impatient. And when it comes, allow different sizes of "paper".
California notaries can't just order a stamp. They have to notify the Secretary of State's office they want to order a stamp, then they receive a special certificate saying they're allowed to order it, and then they place the order from an approved supplier. So better line up your notary about a month in advance. Oh, but their fee are regulated, and it isn't clear if they can charge extra for this hassle, so you might have a tough time finding a notary that wants to help you.
Yea, one time we got it back without the Post-It notes, but we did get a note, someone left a bunch of paper on top of where we needed to sign, so we threw the notes away. Also I tell them no need to roll it up really tight, just enough to fit it in the tube.
At least here in Oregon, by law, the notary stamp is not required on Plats. You do have to be sure they use the correct pen though.
It is nice to not have blue ink smeared all over plats but it is rare that an Oregon Notary complies with ORS 194.280(8)(d):
"The imprint of the official stamp of a notary public is not required to effectuate a notarization of a subdivision or partition plat...
...The words “MY COMMISSION EXPIRES” immediately followed by the date the notary public’s commission expires, expressed in terms of the month, by name not abbreviated, two-digit date and four-digit year." They usually get at least one out of three.
The 6 counties I work in within Idaho all require mylars and yes it's a total pain to get those mylars cleanly signed and notarized sometimes.