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The longer you stay in business the more of these strange calls you receive

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A woman called because she was certain I had surveyed for her parents and the courthouse couldn't find it.?ÿ She sounded upset.?ÿ She told me her parents' names and I instantly recalled the job that turned out to be from 2009.?ÿ She had called the courthouse to get a copy of the plat for Coon Meadows Subdivision and they said they had no such subdivision.?ÿ BTW, that is their family name which is the shortened form for a furry critter wearing a mask and having rings on its tail.

She was wanting to sell a couple of lots and wanted to be sure that no trailer houses could be placed on the lots.

That's when I had to give her the bad news.?ÿ We created eight tracts and all were metes and bounds variety with no subdivision process involved.?ÿ As I was pulling up the original computer file I told her this could be converted into a named subdivision of the name she gave and include covenants and restrictions of various kinds.?ÿ However, this would require going through the county's process, including getting approval from several county elected officials and the county commission.

 
Posted : April 22, 2021 9:36 am
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Couldn't you simply do a survey of the metes and bounds tracts and name them on the survey? Then the legal description would be "...that lot designated as Lot A of XXXX Meadows on survey XXXX?"?ÿ

The subdivision already exists, call the lot whatever you like, as long as there is no ambiguity to its location, right?

Curious as to why would she need to go through a platting process to include covenants and restrictions? Couldn't she just include the restriction/covenant on the deed when she sold it? (Included by either reference to a recorded document of the agreement or spelled out in the deed.)

Why would anyone other than the owner and seller need to be involved?

 
Posted : April 22, 2021 9:51 am
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@dmyhill

It's a common practice in many areas.?ÿ?ÿ

 
Posted : April 22, 2021 10:06 am
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@dmyhill

Because.....

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....Planners.

 
Posted : April 22, 2021 10:06 am
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If she has title to 8 separate parcels why would planners be involved?

 
Posted : April 22, 2021 10:16 am
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Haha, that's rich. California has a "little" thing called the Subdivision Map Act just for this... ain't gonna be getting around that in these parts!

She sounds like a joy to work with by the way.

 
Posted : April 22, 2021 10:19 am
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It was no accident when I moved west I landed in the Last Frontier.

 
Posted : April 22, 2021 10:26 am
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Posted by: @jitterboogie

Because.....

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....BUREAUCRATS.

There, I fixed it for you...

 
Posted : April 22, 2021 10:29 am
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At least she's checking before conveying any property.

I surveyed a lot for a client who was planning on building a new commercial shop.?ÿ He had owned the property for about five years.?ÿ I found and set the pins and located the building next door because it gored my client's property by about six feet.?ÿ This confused me a little because the offending building had been there at the time of the sale.

The next day the owner of the existing building called me.?ÿ He had sold my client the property five years earlier...and had written the description himself.?ÿ?ÿHe had seen my lath and was aghast with knowing he had apparently screwed up when he wrote the description.

He wanted me to re-write the description (of the sale five years previous) and get it filed before my client (the present owner) found out.

I was amazed at how hard it was to explain to this guy that you can't re-write someone else's property description.?ÿ I explained he no longer owned what he had sold.?ÿ His argument was "I use to own it!".

Some people.?ÿ Sometimes I'm amazed their little brains generate enough spark to keep their little legs moving.

 
Posted : April 22, 2021 10:31 am
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The property in the OP is actually owned by the lady's 93 year-old mother.?ÿ A single tract of land was purchased in the 1960's in hopes the city would move closer to it and make the land more valuable.?ÿ They sold a strip off the far west end in the 1980's.?ÿ Somewhere around 2005 I surveyed another tract adjacent to the one on the far west end which they sold at that time.?ÿ Later, they deeded a small tract off the far northeast corner of their land to their daughter (the caller today) by writing their own description and allowed the city to annex that tract as it was close enough to the existing sewer line.?ÿ But, and here's the kicker, the city informed them there would be no extension of that sewer line until the remainder of their land was willingly annexed into the city.?ÿ That led to my 2009 project creating lots large enough to having septic systems meeting county guidelines.?ÿ It's a chicken and egg battle between the owners and the city.

They could make more money by pretending the 2009 work had never happened and creating far more small tracts connected to city sewer but going through the standard subdivision practices, once the existing tract was annexed into the city and the sewer constructed, which would put special tax assessments on the numerous lots repaying the city for the sewer construction costs.

 
Posted : April 22, 2021 10:55 am
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@dougie

Fair.

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Not all planners are the problem

Just like all architects are not.

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Posted : April 22, 2021 11:30 am
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@paden-cash

Thems the ones with lil tattoos inside their eye lids that say BREATHE!?ÿ

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???? ??? ???œ?ÿ

 
Posted : April 22, 2021 11:35 am
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Tell me about. I received a call this morning from a lady that had questions about a Boundary Survey I supposedly did for her in January for a her residential home.?ÿ I told her I did not not prepare her a survey. She sent me a copy, and it was survey I did in 2013 for an unrelated person, in a different county, different lender and a different title company. I wanted to know how she got my survey and she wanted to know how I was going to fix the problem.?ÿ

 
Posted : April 22, 2021 11:45 am
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Did you ask if you could speak to her kid?

 
Posted : April 22, 2021 1:36 pm
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@oldpacer wow!!!

 
Posted : April 22, 2021 1:53 pm
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Posted by: @paden-cash

I was amazed at how hard it was to explain to this guy that you can't re-write someone else's property description

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Posted : April 22, 2021 3:03 pm
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Hope you told her you're a surveyor and not a psychologist.

 
Posted : April 22, 2021 3:20 pm
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I think I know this lady far too well,?ÿ Did not know she had moved away from here to Oldpacer's neighborhood.?ÿ Good news for me.

 
Posted : April 22, 2021 3:25 pm
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Posted by: @paden-cash

and had written the description himself.

Is it wrong to love stories like this?

 
Posted : April 26, 2021 5:01 am
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Another thing you discover is a desire to disagree with a survey you did ten to forty years earlier.?ÿ That'll get your guts grinding in search of an explanation you can live with.

 
Posted : April 26, 2021 5:22 am
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