Just wondering how some people here deal with situations when you disagree with another surveyor's boundary opinion.
If you discuss it with the other guy, but he holds his ground on a monument he set, do you show your boundary with that monument as being in error.?ÿ Or do you evaluate whether it matters all that much and just hold it and move on?
I hate to give in when I know I'm right.?ÿ But I'd also hate to cause a lot uproar and conflict, and possible litigation, just to prove it.
Civil discussions presenting facts like pins found and honored, reference documents, and conclusions makes all the difference in understanding each other.?ÿ I have disagreed with several surveyors over the years and have used this approach.?ÿ All but once, I had information that the other person didn't.?ÿ The one time I didn't have the extra pieces of evidence made me a humble individual real quick.
Good luck.
Civil discussions presenting facts like pins found and honored, reference documents, and conclusions makes all the difference in understanding each other.?ÿ I have disagreed with several surveyors over the years and have used this approach.?ÿ All but once, I had information that the other person didn't.?ÿ The one time I didn't have the extra pieces of evidence made me a humble individual real quick.
Good luck.
Yes, this all the way. ^^^ I've convinced other surveyors that my determination is correct. I've been convinced that their boundaries were correct. It all depended on the evidence found. I was lucky on one job to coincidentally meet another surveyor on site who had surveyed the adjacent parcel, and he shared his findings and interpretation of the evidence with me. I was heading in the wrong direction until talking to him. Most of the pins my crew found had been recently set by the local hack. He pointed out the original pipes, a couple my crew had missed. It shifted my analysis significantly.
I have one case where we have pretty much the same evidence, but differ on our interpretation. I believe the pipe is an original monument, the other surveyor (definitely not a hack) believes it to be a goat stake. It's been in limbo for a few years now, don't know where it's going to go, if anywhere.
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Saw a survey today where the signing surveyor argued with his own prior survey.?ÿ The old survey was pre-1989.?ÿ The new one was finished earlier today.?ÿ The difference was about two feet in a quarter mile.?ÿ I'm not sure, but, I think what happened was that the monument at the East Quarter Corner somehow disappeared sometime after 1989.?ÿ Surveyor from Timbuktu blew through in the early 2000's and straight lined and half distanced from Southeast Corner to Northeast Corner, then filed corner records for that new location.?ÿ Typical situation being that Mr. Timbuktu made no attempt to harmonize with surveys available to be researched.?ÿ Not sure why today's surveyor chose to disagree with his own prior work.
That last part is infuriating.?ÿ It suggests that all who went before Mr. Timbuktu were jakelegs who didn't know (defecatory matter) from Shinola.?ÿ This (defecatory matter) is appearing more frequently by low bidders on wind energy, natural gas and pipeline work in our area.?ÿ VERY SAD.
I agree with both you and Kevin.?ÿ And I've notified the other surveyor.?ÿ But I think that this is more of a situation where this other guy is the type to hold the plan as gospel, overlaying his fieldwork with monuments on top of it, trying to get the best fit by holding one monument and rotating in the direction of the other, and calling everything else as being off.
Meanwhile, I'm more along the lines of making the plan and deeds fit the evidence, not the other way around.
Just out of curiosity how large are the discrepancies, how large is the parcel, and what is the pacrel being surveyed for??ÿ ?????ÿ
If the difference is material (if it matters) then I will have to overwhelm the prior survey with contrary evidence, explained on my survey.?ÿ This takes time to investigate and explain and it is unfortunate for the client in most cases but sometimes it must be done.?ÿ?ÿ
If the discrepancy is small or if I am the only one who cares about it then I have a much simpler solution for that
@flga-2-2?ÿ
Arrrgh, I answered and posted, but somehow I got logged out
Anyway again, client's lot is 100' front and rear, 200' sidelines.?ÿ Neighbor is 150' sideline, and the new rebar is 0.8' over the line between the two old iron pipes.?ÿ
I'm finding out now that the survey is because they hate each other, and my client doesn't trust the surveyor who set the new rebar.?ÿ Something like that
VERY SAD
Using the same evidence, I had a disagreement with a friend and good surveyor but we each still think the other is wrong.?ÿ Another surveyor 20 years ago blew a quadrant in his calcs, which blew one retracement pin out six feet.?ÿ Other surveyor?ÿ believed it was relied on over a long period of time and thus became the line.?ÿ We were both in agreement as to the location of the original lot lines though it was difficult to get the judge to understand that.?ÿ I believe the case is currently on appeal and it started five years ago.?ÿ We are still friends with a different application of the art of surveying in one instance.
and the new rebar is 0.8' over the line between the two old iron pipes.?ÿ
Put new shiny caps on all three, tell them you are charging $295/hr for consultation (and will place a lien against their title if they don't pay up) then have them choose which corner is agreeable. ?????ÿ
WWKD?
@flga-2-2
Yes, I know that 0.8' isn't much, and if it'd been an old rusty pipe instead, I'd have been thrilled, and gladly would have been ok with the minor kink in the line.?ÿ Conversely, if there'd been nothing there, I'd have held the line between the two pipes, and been able to explain to the neighbor if questioned, why his rear line is only 99.2' instead of 100'.
I just don't understand why the other surveyor didn't do that, though
I was hired to survey a parcel in an old unrecorded subdivision of the entire SW/4 of a section.?ÿ The lots were 330' wide and 2640' long.?ÿ
My client had a tattered and yellowed copy of the 1945 survey.?ÿ The NE corner of my client's property was the center of section.?ÿ On this old survey it plainly showed (and stated) the center was set by occupying the south quarter corner and proceeding northerly at a right angle to the south line a distance of 2640'.?ÿ The pin at the center of section was in place at a measured distance of 2639.8'.?ÿ I didn't care much for the surveyor's field procedure in 1945, but it was the first corner established there and had been relied upon since 1945.
About a year later I get a call from another surveyor working in the NW/4.?ÿ His newly calculated center of section missed the old pin there by thirty-something feet.?ÿ I have no idea why, but he was stuck on his calc'd position with a severe case of cranio-rectal tunnel vision.?ÿ We discussed the two surveys ad nauseam.?ÿ He couldn't understand why I would accept that old pin that was "so far off" in the face of the fact that I didn't particularly like it's position either.
I eventually emailed him several court cases that touched on similar conditions.?ÿ I did this only if he promised me he would actually read them.?ÿ Generally in OK none of the center corners were set at the time of the original survey.?ÿ This has lead to a boat load of contradicting surveys concerning section center corners.?ÿ I eventually got him to understand the importance of existing monuments and the importance of not only accepting their position, but also accepting any inherent error in their placement.
He still calls me from time to time to pick my brain.?ÿ Disagreements can be a good thing.
