Hiring Party Chief - Pueblo, Colorado

One man survey crew in those mountains ??

This one man model is a big lie for it takes twice as long for one
to do the work and
one man cuts corners thus the quality is lower lower and lower.

But the end user don't know the the diff between good and bad survey so give them Bad
Just like C3D CAD all CAD is Bad to the end user monkey.

This phony one man show is a joke.

The upside is that the Survey comapny makes more for at $90.00 times two
is 180.00/hr so the Survey company makes more supplying a poor product
but hey thats the Goal of the company bottom Goal/line grease manager.

the race to the pit of low

No Thanks

Peter k GPS rules and hates the robot

> One man survey crew in those mountains ??

At least the job doesn't require you use your own vehicle.

Seriously, sound's like some bad blood IMO. Not my problem.

On the other hand, having been solo since mid 90's (robotic & GPS) I can appreciate the concerns of such terrain. Having been in many situations where I wish I wasn't, including steep loose rock slopes, lion territory (oh, and snakes everywhere), even some potential driving issues of getting stuck or rolling off a cliff. All the while I'm 30 miles from the closest human and my cell phone has no coverage.

In MI it wasn't so bad. Folks were close, but sometimes those swamps were a bytch and you never could trust that submerged log you were standing on (break ankle). Lest we forget a deflected machete or chain saw, or that widow maker that fell from the tree you just leaned against. Nobody around to help.

But being self employed solo with your own workers comp is one thing. Being an employee directed to work solo would be the gray area IMO. I'm thinking OSHA mostly, not profits. Assuming you'd get paid accordingly.

I need work badly, maybe I'll send off a resume. At least it's cooler than here. I get at least 3 solicitations a week to go to North Dakota, but can't quite pull that trigger.

I guess it's not for everyone, but I prefer to work alone (with a Trimble S6 and RTK GPS). In my case, I can assure you no corners are cut, and quality does not suffer. Also, a two man crew is not twice as fast...maybe 30% faster. For woods traversing and hard-core construction stake-out, yes two-men are superior. Perhaps the company has those roles filled. There are many tasks a 1-man crew is nearly as effective (topo's, some boundaries, etc).
For example, I will be working alone tomorrow locating a pipeline LOD. I'll perform this task as fast and effective as any two-man crew.

To me, the job sounds like an excellent opportunity. If I didn't own this company here in PA, I might apply.

Hello All

Give them Junk Survey and less on all products.

Give then Bad C3D CAD 2012-2013

Ask them if the end User C3D know the = diff please Don't

Krap Construction is rule In Canukastan

and this is in the 600 mill to 24 mil jobs

Peter K

> On the other hand, having been solo since mid 90's (robotic & GPS) I can appreciate the concerns of such terrain. Having been in many situations where I wish I wasn't, including steep loose rock slopes, lion territory (oh, and snakes everywhere), even some potential driving issues of getting stuck or rolling off a cliff. All the while I'm 30 miles from the closest human and my cell phone has no coverage.

You sound like an ideal candidate for one of the satellite messenger devices (e.g. Spot). It could save your life for very little money.

What mountains?????

Ain't no mountains close to Pueblo. It sits on the gentle banks of the Arkansas River. Downright flat around that neighborhood.

What mountains?????

LOL....but maybe his state license takes him out of Pueblo on occasion.(?)

Mr. Sincovec: Mr. Kozub might not be a good fit for your position.....;-)
(Not a put-down, I don't know that I could run a one-man crew out of the chute. My crew would be too stupid and belligerent....)

Interesting comments...

I agree with mmm184, in that no corners are cut. We've been running one-man crews for a decade now, and have discovered that (when run by a qualified lead) that for most jobs, we do at least as much as two-man crews that use an IO, if not more. And having a highly-qualified field person with a robot not only improves efficiency, but means that things are done more-accurately, with no problems related to radio communications and miscommunications, or training junior IOs. And robots are a lot better at hitting a consistent vertical angle, which improves things like topos.

On the other hand, things can go faster for stakeout jobs when having two people out on the "business end" while using a robot. One can operate the rod, the other can do the pounding, etc. That can make things go even faster, and really increase output, but only on certain jobs. For some jobs, we double-up crews, sending two people out instead of one. And we have also hired on summer help, junior people who are interested in learning Surveying, then have that person help out as a two-man crew + robot (with no IO). [BTW, we use Trimble S6 and S8 systems, which are incredibly fast and efficient robots, working quite well.]

We all have experience running two- to three-man crews. Most of us started in the days where we used metal 300-foot chains, and were lucky to get an EDM that we could mount on top of our Kern theodolites. So we know how to work that way, and everything in-between. The way we work now lets us do the best work we've ever done, faster than ever. So I don't agree with Kozub's criticism, but instead wonder if he's "behind the times" and losing out on opportunities. In any case, he need not respond to this opportunity, and is free to ignore it if he feels he's doing better. There's no need for insults and denigration.

As far as C3D experience, that's a plus because someone who knows how to use C3D could also double-up in the office if we get backed up there, in addition to being a field surveyor. And understanding how TINs are built makes it easier for a field surveyor to collect field data + linework. But we're primarily looking for a field guy, one who understands robots and GPS systems. The C3D experience is just a plus.

And yes, Pueblo is in the plains, more like Kansas than the mountains of Colorado. Most work out of the Pueblo office would be in the "Pueblo-La Junta-Walsenburg" triangle, which is still at about 4500' elevation, but relatively flat. There are also some jobs that might be up in the mountains to the west, or you may periodically be sent up to help support our work in the Colorado Springs office, but most of it would be in that triangle. And we've been getting so much work lately that we really need to hire someone soon.

I can also understand why some people in some areas (such as Los Angeles) may want multi-man crews... Not only may you run into dangerous situations where you want someone to "hold your back", there's also the danger of theft or random vandalization (such as someone kicking down your base station just because they feel like it).

Luckily, we don't really have problems like that around here.

There are the occasional rattlesnakes, but in 30 years, I've never known any surveyor who's been bitten by one. They're pretty easy to avoid. After all, they want to avoid you, too.

My comment on this is the obvious one.

Most of us grew up back in the day when it took two people, minimum. So we had the opportunity to really learn.

Now a lot of us are working by ourselves; this does not seem to bode well for the future.

I understand business decisions happen and I don't mean to directly criticize. This single person crew thing just makes me wonder. One time at a Chapter meeting an older C.E. boasted about how he had a new guy (never surveyed before) out by himself with his robot. I can't believe he said that loudly in a room full of Land Surveyors.

We've had discussions along those lines ourselves.

Being a Land Surveyor is more than just knowing how to use the equipment. There are a lot of "judgement calls", ranging from how to look for existing monuments, to how to handle discrepancies, according to law and established procedures. People who simplify things, and think they can survey by taking a hand-held GPS receiver out into the field to do a survey, are sorely mistaken. There is still an "art" to Land Surveying that can't be replaced by technology.

Not sure I have an answer for that. As I said, we take on some "summer help", which gives them a chance to learn from experienced personnel. But it's not quite the same as when I started, where there were three-man field crews, and the junior two would learn from the Party Chief...

It's an interesting question for the future of our profession.

Turtle Butts

The nearest so-called mountain would be near Turtle Butts (Buttes to those particular about your spelling) on the way to Buelah.

Turtle Butts

Holy Cow, I had the same immediate reaction you did when he said "in the Mountains?". But, after a second thought, I know you can have work all over the state, and Pueblo is along the front range to the Rocky Mountain, so I didn't respond accordingly.

I had to look up Turtle Buttes on Google Earth. It isn't any higher than Colorado Springs, but it is going up to Buelah, and appears to be in the mountains.

Also to your point there is a lot more development, historically, in the plains than in the mountains, so you can have a surveying career without going there often.

I find mountain boundary surveying to quite complicated. And in some of the resort areas or gambling towns, the land value is quite high and you better get it right; and still hope that you don't go to court. I would definitely think if you did a lot of that type of work you would need a two-or-more-man crew.

Your reply is only about ¼ as long as your re-post of the post just above.

Jeez, the guy is offering a job, if your not interested or don't want it, go to the next post... This thing wanders way off tangent from where he intended it, he's offering a job, not asking for opinions...

Yeah, I was a bit amazed that all I wanted to do was post a "help wanted" ad in the Employment category... Thought that was what it was for. Wasn't really expecting all the slamming.

But oh well... Guess that's a sign of the times. "Cognitive Dissonance" seems to be the rule of the road, these days...

Maybe this board is not intended to get people in our profession employed...? What do you think, Wendell? Are we supposed to not post "help wanted" ads here? Are they unwelcome?

Several years ago I wasHiring Party Chief - Pueblo, Colorado

Several years ago I was working for a company that did cell phones sites all over Texas, mostly in rural areas far from the beaten path, meaning no existing phone coverage. We were asked to use coordinates that others had generated from handheld GPS, as they had already issued 2C letters for these sites. This meant that I needed to go out and do static sessions near the sites, return to the office and process the sites, then return to stake the site. They (my superiors) asked me if I could do this alone. I replied that yes I could, but because of all the aforementioned dangers said that I would really prefer to have another warm body along. The powers that were decided to send an EIT (an aggie at that) along with me. Our first site took us down a gravel county road, then through a gate and along an access easement 3 miles into the property, with another gate to pass through. First time through the gate, we had a flat, and the damn tube that you have to stick the jack handle into to get the spare to drop had mis-aligned itself, and it took awhile to get the spare tire from under the truck. Finally got it down and tire fixed. We got our static session done, plus some topo in the area of the site, and we were headed out just as a storm was brewing. Got to the gate, I drove through and was watching him in the rear view mirror as he was closing the gate (double metal) when BOOM, thunder as if it was right over us made me jump! I looked back in the rear view and the EIT was nowhere to be seen. Turned out, the lightning had hit the wire fence some distance away from us, but still knocked that EIT about 6-8 feet away from where he had been. Fortunately, both gates were attached to 12" metal pipes for gate posts which I believe grounded most of the shock from the lightning. He was ok, a little woozie for a few minutes, and he had some ringing in his ears for a couple of days. (He was checked out by a doctor when we returned) The next day, and a hundred miles away, we were letting the static run, standing inside a ROW fence, just BS'ing. Suddenly he started doing a little dance, poking at the ground with a lath, and not two feet behind him I saw three (I think) buttons of a small rattler disappear into a hole in the ground. He must have been standing on the damn thing.
I will still work alone if I am in the city or suburbs, but if I or one of my employees are going out into the boonies, I try to make sure that there are at least two of them(us).

I'm sorry for my comments then. My thoughts were that you will get the calls and/or resumes for anyone looking for a job regardless of the followup discussion.

Maybe, if this format offends some; or if you (others) think it will detract from potential applicants, there could just be a classified section with posts that no one can reply to. (just an idea)

I certainly meant no harm with my little off-topic remarks and definitely won't do it again if it is harmful to the possibilities for employment of my fellow surveyors.

Good luck getting someone. I hope you are able to hire get a good surveyor from this.

Actually, the only comments I felt were really insulting were from Peter Kozub. But he's insulted me many times before. He appears to really hate me, for no reason I'm aware of (never met the guy). I generally just ignore him, because I see no value in swimming in the mud with him.

And yes, we've already gotten over a dozen resumes... Still sorting through them, and still accepting additional applications... We REALLY want a PLS, and almost all applications so far have been from IOs with no license, and no robot experience. But we just got two more jobs today, so the pressure is on to get someone hired in the very near future. We're getting swamped, so we'll have to pull the trigger soon, and get someone going, PLS or not.

But this is a "good" problem to have... Far better than the "phone never rings" problem that many of us have seen in recent years... 😉

May all of you have the same problem we're having!