All the results and data have been given to Shawn. Since he is the published author of the group we volunteered him do the writing. I think you all will be surprised....
N10,000, E7,000, Z100.00
PLS - IL, MO, AR, KS, MN, KY
StLSurveyor, post: 455299, member: 7070 wrote: I think you all will be surprised....
Not as suprised as seeing Elvis at a nightspot in Pocahontas Arkansas on Veteran's day...
Dan B. Robison, post: 455310, member: 34 wrote:
Not as suprised as seeing Elvis at a nightspot in Pocahontas Arkansas on Veteran's day...
Even Elvis can't get a drink in Pocahontas!
N10,000, E7,000, Z100.00
PLS - IL, MO, AR, KS, MN, KY
StLSurveyor, post: 455311, member: 7070 wrote: Even Elvis can't get a drink in Pocahontas!
No! No he can't! I spent a year and a half of more there. Nice place! Nice people! Had to truck every drink in.
Elvis sitting with the lead man from Spinal Tap is even more weird.
Hey Shawn, any preliminary results?
Jules J., post: 455315, member: 444 wrote: No! No he can't! I spent a year and a half of more there. Nice place! Nice people! Had to truck every drink in.
Never leave Louisiana unprepared, that's my motto.
Shawn is putting his report together, but I think he had a couple of jobs he had to get done first.
Frank Willis, post: 455472, member: 472 wrote: Hey Shawn, any preliminary results?
Soon. Just need more time to do it justice.
StLSurveyor, post: 455094, member: 7070 wrote: Well...It's a done deal. Things went very well and had a blast! We have data to process,compare and a "formal" report to conjure up. Stay tuned....
Members Left to Right:
[USER=6521]@Shawn Billings[/USER] , [USER=34]@Dan B. Robison[/USER] , [USER=467]@John Evers[/USER] , Mike Goforth (not a member - yet), and StLSurveyor
I know and have met three out of the 5. Shawn, Dan, and Ryan (StLSurveyor)
You also met John in Louisville last year.
Howdy!
Aren't you guys writing the report dealers???????????????
Doesn't that introduce bias?
Regardless if LS kicks tail of R10, the R10 editor is not going to admit it cold turkey. I'd rather just see what the guys doing the shots had to say about their general feelings about the units.
One of the biggest fallacies in experimental statistics or any statistical analysis is what to sample and how to sample it. HUGE room for bias. Not saying the dealers in this would want to bias anything, but if I owned Trimble, and a rep from Trimble in a free, no-charge, study on a worldwide forum said that Javad kicked our tail, I'd ask him what the hell he was thinking.
Frank Willis, post: 455696, member: 472 wrote: a rep from Trimble in a free, no-charge, study on a worldwide forum said that Javad kicked our tail
From what I've seen, the receivers delivered similar results, and the only manner in which Javad might have kicked Trimble's tail is in price.
Frank,
You will see an unbiased report. Anything less would destroy our credibility into the future. That would simply be unacceptable.
We are surveyors first and foremost, and when it come to honesty, we should all be above reproach when it comes to our jobs. You could not get me to bend the truth.
I could reveal the preliminary results now, but that would spoil what Shawn is preparing. Lets just say that I think we were all surprised.
Regardless, all brands of equipment are going to be passing through a never ending evolution. What this means to me is that we need to prepare to quantify these changes as users on a regular basis.
The testing methods we employ will become more refined in the future, and include a wider variety of receivers.
John Evers, post: 455750, member: 467 wrote:
You will see an unbiased report. Anything less would destroy our credibility into the future. That would simply be unacceptable.
Regardless of one's desire to be impartial and unbiased, a person working for one of the manufacturers introduces bias and conflict of interest.
pencerules, post: 455763, member: 709 wrote: Regardless of one's desire to be impartial and unbiased, a person working for one of the manufacturers introduces bias and conflict of interest.
That is also like saying that I can not survey my own farm. I simply disagree.
John Evers, post: 455632, member: 467 wrote: You also met John in Louisville last year.
Howdy!
Darn John, I think you are right. Sorry!
Speaking from 22 years of sales experience... if you can't offer your customers an unbiased opinion of both your equipment and that of your competitors, you have no credibility. One of the reasons my customers liked me was that if I thought one of my products was crap or didn't suit their needs I told them that.
What is required to be a really good consultive technical sales professional is way beyond the scope of a post here, but suffice to say that it involves more than trying to see how much of your customers money you can part from them.
pencerules, post: 455763, member: 709 wrote: Regardless of one's desire to be impartial and unbiased, a person working for one of the manufacturers introduces bias and conflict of interest.
AGREED. If you don't believe it, go get a set of checkers and a glass of scotch and play a full game of checkers against yourself.
You guys have not read the report.
At least wait till it's out.
Then pick at it.
Nate... (feeling a little better) thanks!