being copyrighted? Does that mean I can't copy the material as part of a handout?
JBS
> Does that mean I can't copy the material as part of a handout?
I can't see any reason you couldn't use it as part of one of your excellent handouts, as long as you credited the source.
You might try running it by Curt first, though. 😉
Dugger
> being copyrighted? Does that mean I can't copy the material as part of a handout?
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> JBS
I think I found the answer to my own question...
From the ACSM Website
NEW - ALTA/ACSM Standards: Statement on Copyright
“ALTA and NSPS permit “derivative” versions of the 2011 Minimum Standard Detail Requirements for ALTA/ACSM Land Title Surveys only for company branding/use and for education/training purposes.”
Now I've just got to convince the printers that it's ok to print them as attachments to my "educational/training" material.
JBS
> being copyrighted? Does that mean I can't copy the material as part of a handout?
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> JBS
I don't know, what's the policy on reproducing building codes, or other published standards that plumbers, electricians, and other tradesmen who don't rely on "professional judgement" use in their line of work. 😉
JAF (who obviously feels he can negotiate his own contract and deliverables all by himself without Curt or Gary's help)
John:
A big part of the reason for making the copyright of the new Standards prominent is the ability to enforce the concept of the single certification. The copyright can be used to promote the idea that the only certification allowable on the product under copyrighted standards is the found in the standards. Alternate certifications are not prohibited. They simply cannot appear on the Land Title Survey plat. They can be used on a separate document, though.
Consider that the Standards had got a bit…unkempt. It was difficult to find a thread through the previous standards and that helped to promulgate the additional certifications and requirements. With the exception of the requirements and certifications that simply cannot be agreed to by any sane person, virtually all of the requirements were being met by the Standards. The new organization of the Standards allows for easier reading and will help users to understand that many of their concerns are already being addressed by the Standards.
After all, the very point of the Standards is to have a single source for a uniform type of product that meets the needs of the industry. It was never intended to be a starting place for individual “standards”.
If you have any trouble having your materials printed, I would suggest a quick call or email to Curt Sumner at ACSM. I’m sure that a license to reprint the Standards with your contact information would be quickly forthcoming.
> After all, the very point of the Standards is to have a single source for a uniform type of product that meets the needs of the industry. It was never intended to be a starting place for individual “standards”.
If that is the case then they (ALTA & ACSM) need to rename the darn thing and take this "Minimum Standard Detail Requirements" out of the title
According to Webster
minimum : the least quantity assignable, admissible, or possible
Semantically (to me at least) a minimum standard is by definition a starting place.
The “minimum” refers to the fact that the standards are the least work that must be done to qualify as an ALTA/ACSM Land Title Survey. If YOU want to do more, that’s fine, as long as your work at least meets these minimum standards.
Example: Section 6 D i refers to the fact that the plat must be presented on a sheet not less than 8-1/2” x 11”. If you want to use a 24” x 36” sheet, that is permissible, but a 5-1/2” x 8” sheet is not.
The Standards also mean that these are the standards that are promulgated by the ALTA and the ACSM jointly. They are not the standards being promulgated by XYZ Lender.
XYZ Lender is absolutely free to create their own standards and call them whatever they want. They just can’t call it an ALTA/ACSM Land Title Survey.
