Peter Ehlert, post: 441003, member: 60 wrote: he is obviously pulling your chain. He does the debate thing well, he had me hooked, as did Kent
Yes.
His experience as a 20 year old riding around Baton Rouge recovering section corners is bogus.
He was probably riding along drinking Dr. Peppers and munching on chips with a Tx jack leg seismic or pipeline crew going through the pretense of establishing some boundary control of some kind. Real loosey goosey surveying. He never saw a section corner..that I can Garantee as Justin Wilson would say.
Robert Hill, post: 441054, member: 378 wrote: Yes.
His experience as a 20 year old riding around Baton Rouge recovering section corners is bogus.
He was probably riding along drinking Dr. Peppers and munching on chips with a Tx jack leg seismic or pipeline crew going through the pretense of establishing some boundary control of some kind. Real loosey goosey surveying. He never saw a section corner..that I can Garantee as Justin Wilson would say.
Actually that part is true, we did look for and found plenty of the section corners. I was also 18 not 20. My choice of drink has never been Dr. Pepper but a good deal of Texans love Dr. Pepper.
I have never worked for a lossey goosey surveying firm and will never work for a firm like that.
How many section corners have you found in LA?
Robert Hill, post: 441051, member: 378 wrote: Why are you being a troll Ahole?
Robert, please refrain from talking to ladies in such a manner...;)
Scott Ellis, post: 441057, member: 7154 wrote: Actually that part is true, we did look for and found plenty of the section corners. I was also 18 not 20. My choice of drink has never been Dr. Pepper but a good deal of Texans love Dr. Pepper.
I have never worked for a lossey goosey surveying firm and will never work for a firm like that.
How many section corners have you found in LA?
Originals - 4
Cypress post in Assumption Parish
2 Heartwood pine posts in St Tammany Parish
Custom Limestone post in Destrahan Louisiana on an old sugar plantation on an arpent tract.
Section corners established by Parish Surveyors/Engineers from about 1920 through 1950s - Numerous
Usually a stout pipe or even concrete marker. No telling that they were in the original position. Most used as a tie to a M&B surveys
I imagine in Northern and Central Louisiana that one can have a better chance of finding original corners and the PLSS exists in a more user friendly manner. Also on lands that are large timber tracts (that probably don't exist in Texas)
It is possible too despite timber operations.
You weren't boundary surveying here.
Pipeline, Seismic or well location surveys weren't required to properly delineate boundaries. They used these so called found corners to orientate their projects in a loosey goose kind of way. So that is what you were doing.
Sorry to break the news to you.
Robert Hill, post: 441064, member: 378 wrote: Originals - 4
Cypress post in Assumption Parish
2 Heartwood pine posts in St Tammany Parish
Custom Limestone post in Destrahan Louisiana on an old sugar plantation on an arpent tract.Section corners established by Parish Surveyors/Engineers from about 1920 through 1950s - Numerous
Usually a stout pipe or even concrete marker. No telling that they were in the original position. Most used as a tie to a M&B surveysI imagine in Northern and Central Louisiana that one can have a better chance of finding original corners and the PLSS exists in a more user friendly manner. Also on lands that are large timber tracts (that probably don't exist in Texas)
It is possible too despite timber operations.
You weren't boundary surveying here.
Pipeline, Seismic or well location surveys weren't required to properly delineate boundaries. They used these so called found corners to orientate their projects in a loosey goose kind of way. So that is what you were doing.
Sorry to break the news to you.
What makes you think I was spending my time in LA on a Pipeline, Seismic or well location survey?
I may have saw an ad for a Survey Company that read: Tired of Louisiana workers need real men to work for the Boundary Survey Firm, Texans hired on the spot.
Or maybe I was working on a boundary survey crew while dating a girl who went to LSU.
Lucky for us all, we now have perfectly square sections in Colorado. I have a few in my county, and I am told that we are getting more and more around the state. Thanks to GPS, all those old transit - unsquare surveys can be discarded. The mountainous terrain is no longer an obstacle. All the landowners and surveyors can now be informed that the lines we faithfully retraced and relied upon, peacefully, professionally, and in good faith, for decades, are now correct thanks to superior measurements and superior surveyors.
Scott Ellis, post: 441067, member: 7154 wrote: What makes you think I was spending my time in LA on a Pipeline, Seismic or well location survey?
I may have saw ....
classic....
Scott Ellis, post: 441067, member: 7154 wrote:
Or maybe I was working on a boundary survey crew while dating a girl who went to LSU.
If that was true, you wouldn't be living in Texas 😉
Scott Ellis, post: 441011, member: 7154 wrote: Its a real question, Any PLSS State, mix of private and public.
I keep hearing nothing is square in PLSS. Well why is it not square it should be. DId the PLSS Surveyor's get the grid wrong on the very first square and threw off all the other grids? Why come two or more Surveyors in the same surveying in the same section, can't match on where a corner should be set. The system is designed to use any corners found in that section to reset any corners in the original location.
You should consider Politics (or Law), your use of "redirect" and "vague" is mastered... You have outpaced even Kent
Robert Hill, post: 441071, member: 378 wrote: If that was true, you wouldn't be living in Texas 😉
You made have just Checkmated me
warren ward PLS CO OK, post: 441069, member: 12536 wrote: Lucky for us all, we now have perfectly square sections in Colorado. I have a few in my county, and I am told that we are getting more and more around the state. Thanks to GPS, all those old transit - unsquare surveys can be discarded. The mountainous terrain is no longer an obstacle. All the landowners and surveyors can now be informed that the lines we faithfully retraced and relied upon, peacefully, professionally, and in good faith, for decades, are now correct thanks to superior measurements and superior surveyors.
Lucky you, Warren. I haven't seen that yet in the counties I work.
Being curious, I have to ask this. Are all the section lines oriented to grid north (i.e. SPC, Colorado North Zone, NAD83) and all section lines measure 5280 ft. (grid distance)?
Conrad, post: 440385, member: 6642 wrote: Hello Gents.
Just for those of us that are uninitiated, could you give an easy to understand explanation of the essential differences between surveying for boundary definition in a PLSS and non-PLSS state?
I hope that is a proper question. It might make some of these threads a little easier to follow. If its more than just PLSS and non-PLSS then it would also help to know that too.
Cheers.
(anyone else think the symbol for the preview button looks like a carburetor choke?!?)
Conrad,
As you can see, you have started a s$!t storm. I think the maps that Kent posted are about the simplest way to understand the difference. Bill's description also states it very well. Now pop some corn, grab a beer and enjoy 9 pages (as of this writing) of utter nonsense!!!!!
I may be repeating what another PLSSer has said, but I just skimmed the previous 168 posts-
Oregon is a PLSS state but you find yourself working a lot of metes and bounds properties. After the "squares" were homesteaded they would be further divided along natural features like rivers, valleys and ridges or man made features like roads, irrigation canals and railroads that were built according to the demands of the terrain (this ain't flat lander country) rather than along section lines. So in the rectangular states you work both systems. It's not all section, 1/4 and 1/16 corners.
Mike Berry, post: 441085, member: 123 wrote: I may be repeating what another PLSSer has said, but I just skimmed the previous 168 posts-
Oregon is a PLSS state but you find yourself working a lot of metes and bounds properties. After the "squares" were homesteaded they would be further divided along natural features like rivers, valleys and ridges or man made features like roads, irrigation canals and railroads that were built according to the demands of the terrain (this ain't flat lander country) rather than along section lines. So in the rectangular states you work both systems. It's not all section, 1/4 and 1/16 corners.
Yes, but if the underlying system of land grants is much simpler and you then overlay subdivisions by metes and bounds upon that system. you don't magically end up with a system that even begins to approach the complexity of a system of metes and bounds land grants that are also subdivided by metes and bounds over time. The initial state of one system is inherently of a higher order of complexity than the other system that began at a much lower level of complexity.
In PLSSia, I suspect that many posters conflate the absence of original evidence of the government subdivision with complexity. Trying to fly by flapping ones arms isn't inherently complex as much as it is just difficult and contrary to the laws of physics.
Kent McMillan, post: 441108, member: 3 wrote: Yes, but if the underlying system of land grants is much simpler and you then overlay subdivisions by metes and bounds upon that system. you don't magically end up with a system that even begins to approach the complexity of a system of metes ang bounds land grants that are also subdivided by metes and bounds over time. The initial state of one system is inherently of a higher order of complexity than the other system that began at a much lower level of complexity.
In PLSSia, I suspect that many posters conflate the absence of original evidence of the government subdivision with complexity. Trying to fly by flapping ones arms isn't inherently complex as much as it is just difficult and contrary to the laws of physics.
Flapping your lips on a subject where you have no knowledge will get you the same result.
