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Where do they get this stuff???
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Was that Doofus or Goofus in that video???
Sad part is, he is a "Land Surveyor" per his YT bio.?ÿ
To me the cap is the relevant part of the thinking.?ÿ Something that looks similar to what most surveyors set in a given area for monuments may or may not carry any weight to a surveyor doing a new survey of an abutting tract.
For example, we ran into a case recently where a certain line had been established in the 1960's.?ÿ We found those monuments in place.?ÿ A parcel was cut out in the 2014 that was in the northwest corner of the south tract.?ÿ Two 1/2" rebar were found at something like 0.9' and 1.3' too far south (length is 172 feet on that side).?ÿ Accepting them would put a kink in an established line between two much larger parcels.?ÿ They could have been placed by anyone.?ÿ This is an area where all local surveyors file their surveys with the county and cap their bars.?ÿ Could have been a crew from BFE that happened to have run out of caps, but I doubt it.?ÿ Both bars were up about six to eight inches, which is also uncommon.?ÿ We rejected both bars.
Had there been caps on those bars we would have contacted the LS responsible for them and discussed how it is that we disagree with their location.?ÿ Maybe we are the ones who are making a mistake.?ÿ It happens.
Doofus or Goofus should not have made this video.
@stlsurveyor?ÿ ?ÿ I have some loose change in my desk drawer, does that make me a banker??ÿ Cool.
There are more comments below the video this morning. Tommy says it is a corner of his own lot and insists the monument was moved by a utility, but apparently he would rather have a virtual corner than fix it.
When you have a booming land development market fueled by national home builders some outfits fall into the trap of production surveying.
I saw work in the mid 90's in Charlotte that made me cringe.
Not my cup of tea.
Surveyors are very hesitant to pull out a monument set by others. I have that hang up myself.
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But, I always say that if you are putting in a second monument (pincushion), you should be willing to pull out the old one. I do not say that anyone should actually pull a pin, but in some sense you are doing that when you call out a miss or set a pincushion.
If you pulled up a survey in the Seattle metro area in WA, a majority of the records would have a call to a found monument or rebar that is exactly as he describes.?ÿ
Practices of surveyors vary widely across the country. I do not think it looks good for us (as professionals) to attack our own when we may not know all the facts. If you feel strongly, call the guy up. And when you do, be humble: we all have something to learn.
That said, I used to be in his camp, and now I am not. My practices and outlook have grown over the years. But I know very good surveyors that do excellent work and have provided great service and protected the cadaster who would agree with that fellow. The terms would be different, but they were "deed stakers". They were very good at it, in fact.
My follow up is:
I'm not a Surveyor. This video just makes more ammo for the under educated masses to question the validation of the whole purpose and process of boundary (as I'm learning about it) and will encourage them to doubt the same and refute any answers they don't like because they learned from the guy on the internet.
If he's licensed he should say so. If he's retired he should be quiet.
My $0.02
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For kicks and giggles I just looked up the latest recorded survey in King County, WA...and it does exactly what the guy describes in the video.
I pulled up the latest survey on the PLSO from a rural county (Asotin County), and that survey would be more acceptable to the group here.
My point is that local customs and training and laws have a LOT of power to shape how a surveyor does their work.
That is a very disheartening video. Whether licensed or a member of the public, it is a shame that his interpretation of deeds versus monuments is going to be propagated to all of the unwitting viewers.
You don't strike me as someone who will be quiet after retiring.?ÿ?ÿ
It can be argued that he is providing clarity to local survey customs.
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