The Florida Bill made it out of the subcommittee - unchanged

One of the Reps that voted "No" wrote me back ...

Barbers and Cosmetologists are some of the very ones that need deregulating!

I know I went on in the other thread about too much regulation, but if deregulation is to happen, the trades that don't require more than a vo-tech class need to be the first to go.

One of the Reps that voted "No" wrote me back ...

I'm guessing those hair stylists talked some ears off.

One of the Reps that voted "No" wrote me back ...

I've cut my own hair for the past 5 years. Barbers don't need no stinkin license!

It just occured to me that absent a surveyor's license, state and county projects will probably go back to the pre 1940ish requirement in Florida, and require a licensed engineer to contract the surveying projects, and subdivision plats will be signed by engineers ...

One of the Reps that voted "No" wrote me back ...

>he proposed an amendment, which passed today, that removed barbers and cosmetologists from the industries that will be deregulated.

Thank god the beauty shops and face painters were saved.....to heck with landscape architects, geoligists, and pofessionl surveyors.

I believe that this has nothing to do with what service we Florida Professional Surveyors and Mappers provide, but how many of us there are. The committee is looking at numbers and the number of surveyors apparently is not generating enough revenue through licensing. We just renewed and they hit us with a one time special assessment fee on top of our license fee. This near-sighted type of de-regulation will certainly NOT be in the public's best interest which is the reason FOR licensing.

A Florida PSM... for now...

We had 1 Surveyor stand up and speak at the meeting this morning while some twenty folks spoke concerning Interior Design regulation. The Cosmetology and Nail Technicians already had a Rep. with an Ammendment to remove them (sucessfully). We were pitifully unprepared. The Committee Members didn't even have any questions for our one speaker, while they were very concerned on the Public safety issues and (valid) differences in Interior Design vs. Interior Decorating. It turns out this Committee has been studying deregulation of over 60 occupations and Professions for some 6 months, now narrowed down to a handful. The Geologist knew, the Interior Designers knew, the Nail Techs and Barbers certainly knew, all have been working with the Reps for some time to look out for their interest. Where were the Surveyors? Out in the field, the left (behind) one! We better get our act together quick!

That's unbelievable, you'd think at least someone from UF, the board, and FSMS would show up ... who was the one, if you don't mind me asking?

> We had 1 Surveyor stand up and speak at the meeting this morning while some twenty folks spoke concerning Interior Design regulation. The Cosmetology and Nail Technicians already had a Rep. with an Ammendment to remove them (sucessfully). We were pitifully unprepared. The Committee Members didn't even have any questions for our one speaker, while they were very concerned on the Public safety issues and (valid) differences in Interior Design vs. Interior Decorating. It turns out this Committee has been studying deregulation of over 60 occupations and Professions for some 6 months, now narrowed down to a handful. The Geologist knew, the Interior Designers knew, the Nail Techs and Barbers certainly knew, all have been working with the Reps for some time to look out for their interest. Where were the Surveyors? Out in the field, the left (behind) one! We better get our act together quick!

Man that is sickening to hear..damm1t

Ray Niles, and although I thought he could've used some more passion he made some good points and had to carry the weight for all of us, my hat is off to him. I have the same questions, where was UF, our Board Members...I'm ashamed I didnt sign in to speak, assuming we had folks ready to represent us, assuming strikes again, but it will not strike twice. We need to look out for ourselves and get busy.

One Board Member actually was in attendance (didn't speak) and the 2 that LIVE IN TALLAHASSEE didn't even show.

So the "national" exam would completely lack any testing on state statutes, codes, etc?

As the ALTA Standards require the Surveyors registration or license number, no more ALTA's in Florida ?

My guess is the Engineers quickly move to broaden their definition of "Engineering" and try to block the newly unlicensed surveyors from any meaningful practice ...

Petition?

Well, here's a question: If I setup a petition form for those opposed to this bill, do you think it would do any good? I would be happy to set something up and then forward it to the appropriate parties.

If you think this is a good idea, some help writing the actual petition description and letter that would be sent to Dorothy Hukill would be great.

> So the "national" exam would completely lack any testing on state statutes, codes, etc?

If I'm a member of the Maryland bar, generally if I apply for the Wisconsin Bar I'm admitted with no further state exam.

If I'm an Architect, Engineer, or other professional licensed in Maryland and I apply for licensure in Wisconsin I'm granted a license to practice with no further examination.

I always hear that surveying is different than these other examples because so much of our practice involves local knowledge and specific state law (although that's hard to believe in the case of attorneys) but I don't think that is the real reason our licenses lack the "portability" of other professions

I'm of the opinion that a professional understands the difference in practice from state to state; and that a professional understands and holds dear his ethical responsibility to practice only in those areas in which he is competent.

In the hypothetical situation of a nationwide license (which I don't believe in or think is practical - that whole state sovereignty thing) I'm of the opinion that a true professional would bide by his ethical duty to practice in states only once he has a thorough understanding of local law and that to treat surveyors differently from, say lawyers, when they wish to practice in another state is indicative of a mindset that land surveyors fall somewhere between a trade and a profession.

It sounds like you're talking about the CFedS program. 🙂

Petition?

> Well, here's a question: If I setup a petition form for those opposed to this bill, do you think it would do any good? I would be happy to set something up and then forward it to the appropriate parties.
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> If you think this is a good idea, some help writing the actual petition description and letter that would be sent to Dorothy Hukill would be great.

Wendell, you should do it, it could help.

Petition?

I'm sure I could use an editor, but most of the online references to petitions say keep is simple, something like:

We, as members of the Surveying and Mapping profession of Florida, related businesses, and/or concerned citizens, request that the profession of Surveying and Mapping be removed from the proposed deregulation bill (PCB 11-01).

Then have fields for:

Name, Address, Phone, email, perhaps a pull down that indicates whether your a PSM, related business, concerned citizen, ...

What about FEMA Elevation Certificiates?

Section C must be completed by a licensed Surveyor, Engineer, or Architect. I guess that means I couldn't do an elevation certificate, and Engineers get to pick up that work?