Didn't want to possibly hijack Brads thread, but it reminded me of this:
I did a survey with my father for my mothers second husband of his existing property. I knew where the well was because I had seen it exposed when it was replaced after being fried by lightening, so I informed dad, the rodman, and we located it. After I drafted it up he had me add "reputed" to the location of the well and sanitary system, when I asked why (because I knew that was the correct location) his response was along the lines of "Yes you may know that and Bob may know that, but I didn't actually see it." he also went on to tell me that one time he or his crew had located on actual well cap on the property they were surveying, but the realtor told him (after the fact?) that the well cap was a dummy, because the real well was actually on the neighboring property. He may have always labeled sanitary systems that way, but ever since then wells, whether an actual cap or not, were labeled "reputed".
Does anyone follow, or have seen, this practice?
Also when I was working for a different surveyor I put reputed on a well (and maybe sanitary) when asked why, I relayed dads story. I was subsequently read the riot act and was told basically "it's a well cap, therefore, it's a well". I don't recall if reputed was put with the sanitary systems or not as a standard practice, because unless you saw them exposed you were only going by the tell-tale signs of its location, i.e. uniformly mounded ground, greener grass, nice squarish open area surrounded by woods/brush, etc.?ÿ
Interesting and makes sense though I've never experienced such a thing in practice. This could bring so many things into question.
T. Nelson - SAM
I only use this kind of language when things are (reputedly) not what they seem.?ÿ Otherwise I think we have a deteriorating situation where many physical improvements are slapped with the adjective and it means nothing (how do I know that's an electric line, did I test it with a multimeter or by having my rodman touch it with the rod?).
One situation I've encountered where the language is necessary is if there is a well on the property that has been (reputedly) disconnected, and the owner says they are connected to public water.?ÿ I can't really verify this, so I show the location of the well and reference the owner's statement (well not in use, house connected to public water per owner testimony).
Does this meander into parole evidence because of the statement from the owner?
Legitimately curious.
I see your point, although maybe a tad extreme, but that's what makes it.
Now you've gone and reminded me of another incident with the rodman checking for electrical activity. We were doing a level run beneath some high tension lines, might have been a topo, but I seem to remember using the level, I was rod hopping with the fiberglass rod (hence why I think it was a topo, or maybe a very rough level run), I was on a rise between towers and was close enough that I could feel a tingle in the rod. The other PC and I-man kept trying to tell me the rod needed to be raised while yucking it up between themselves (I could tell it was enough rod). They kept trying and I kept refusing (using nice words here, it most likely wasn't). I wonder what those two jackhats would have done if I took them at their word, try to warn me not to? Let me do it and create a possible OH S**T moment and have a good laugh watching me flop around one the ground? Knowing those two one would probably do the former the other the latter.
You probably would have exploded.
The steam escape from a cooking human from High voltage creates ghastly wounds for any that survived.
Most don't.
Just a safety brief like THRAC. ?????ÿ
Well, if I exploded, that would have been a real (both literal and figurative) OH S**T!!!!!!!!!!!!! moment, wouldn't it. I'd have like to see them try to explain that one to the boss.
Many years ago I recall a licensed surveyor being accused of improper surveying because he would label found corner monuments as "apparent corners".?ÿ One argument was that would lead others to assume this to be a corner at what looked like it should be the corner rather than a "true" corner.?ÿ That argument generally came from those who thought the GLO Field Notes were absolute gospel brought down from the mountain by Moses.
No, but his boss was.
parole evidence
That should be parol evidence.?ÿ Autoincorrect strikes again?
Autocorrupt.
similar but different, roughly 50 years ago, perhaps a little less.
from my fading memory:
New subdivision in a walnut orchard, 30 or 40 lots. Low Budget.
on the North side there was public street, with Two sanitary sewers.
One very old, the other rather new.
One set of manholes near the center-line, and another set about 10 feet farther North.
Jack and I were sent to do a fill-in topo, to get additional detail for construction... to connect with the Newer main.
The design was "complete" and plans were approved. The new lots were to be connected to the newer and closer sewer line. Everything was to run at minimum grade... sewers, storm drain, lots, building pads were All at minimum.
We dipped the manholes, grades were confirming the design, both lines were at about the same grade... but something did not smell right.
One downstream manhole was flowing OK, the other was backed up a bit.
We went to a local market and bought a couple boxes of Red clothing dye. Dumped it all into one of the upstream manholes.
30 minutes later one ran red.
The lines crossed. Apparently the Newer one had a hump or a dip in it to not disturb the Old line.
it was a BIG Deal, major change in the low budget project.
about a foot of additional fill for the Whole subdivision was going to be required.
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This is why we get paid the big bucks.
Who would ever intentionally layout a sewer line with a dip or hump in it.?ÿ Either way, there will be a shitty problem before long.
I had a crew do an asbuilt on a new commercial building and they tied in a sanitary sewer manhole that was way outside the SS easement and didn't match any of the sewer plans. I was a little panicked that there was some unknown line that had been missed. It sure looked funny to me when I went to the site to check it and realized there was no rim. When I flipped it open, I realized it was just a sanitary sewer manhole lid lying in the middle of the grass.