The southwest corner of Section 36:
Someone had poured concrete in a hole and reset it-no record of that:
There's no question of what it is:
The west 1/4 of Section 36, firmly set but only the 1 remains:
The east 1/4 of Section 36; very clear marking:
SWEET!!!
Really great pictures!
Mighty Moe,
I'd like some moe of them.
And, it was Mighty nice of you to post them!
🙂
N
You found the stone in place. Then you removed it. Why? Was there a memorial called for in the notes?
Thinking if I found that stone and it's position was anything like good and there was no contrary evidence, I would just use it in place. Why dig it up??
The client requires 3" monuments at each stone.
I argued to leave at least some of them alone but that's not what they want to do. Each stone gets removed, a cap is set in it's place and the stone is buried alongside.
If I have control over how it's done, I leave the stone in place when it isn't a property corner and the stone is in good condition. If the stone isn't in good condition or the markings have faded then it gets a new monument.
I tend to set my monument under the stone, and replace the stone, so it is still there, and in it's original place. IF you do what you said, as in REPLACE the stone, with your marker, and place the stone BESIDE your marker, you have MOVED AN ORIGINAL MARKER. This can be confusing. IF you publish your plat, WITH notes, as to WHAT you did, and DOCUMENT what you did, then it is alot better by me. Are you in a state that records these things? IF NOT, then you should devise a means to place on PUBLIC RECORD what you did.
My 2 cents.
N
That's how I do it for the county work I do. What's important here is the record you file. Describe the stone as you found it, the new marker placed and where you left the original stone stone beside the new marker. I bury them. I also set a spike and washer with magnet directly under the new marker and measure an accurate Geodetic position (all described in the public record). This way the position is preserved regardless of what happens. The pipe and cap is recognized as a survey marker by the public and landowners whereas stones are not.
Nice set of grooves on the stone. I've seen grooves and notches. I found one last week that had notches on the south edge and grooves on the east face. I kept looking for the other set of notches and then finally noticed the grooves. I've not seen that many that had a combination of grooves and notches but the idea is now firmly in the toolkit.
I been working a fire scar area for the last month. One thing I've realized is that fires will crack stones, just explode them. Need to be careful as you might put pressure on the stone and it will just bust into pieces. So stones might not be a durable has we thought.
I tend to set my monument under the stone,
Won't work for this project.
They want a visible aluminum monument. These have a magnet inserted into them. And they want a plastic marker alongside.
There will be a corner record filed for each monument and a COS.
It will be a while before it's done. January-February. We are pushing to get all the back country done before the weather gets nasty. But, it's been slow because we shut down due to fire danger.
>The pipe and cap is recognized as a survey marker by the public and landowners whereas stones are not.
I agree 100% with you on that. A stone is a rock to be tossed into a fence jack or rolled out of the way for clearance by ambitious 4 wheelers. A capped 2' long pipe in a rock mound is a survey marker of some sort to the public's eye. It is required by law here to file a survey on the corner, and therefore it is arguable that you could just leave the stone as-is, however deer hunters looking for rock to build a camp fire ring might not have the corner restoration record with them. Even if hit by the blade of a dozer pioneering a road, a bent or severly leaning pipe/rebar gets you closer to the original location rather than a stone that is rolled a dozen feet or so.
Nice documentation of a corner. I wish they were all like that!
Nice pics, and realize both that time marches on and different states require different things.
If any surveyor here removed ancient stones and replaced them with monuments, said surveyor would have every other surveyor for 4 counties on his front porch with pitchforks and torches. As too many legal descriptions hinge on such as described points of commencement there would also be flocks of lawyers circling overhead.
Do you have a public corner filing law? As long as the pedigree is good in the record (public) no problem. With out public records of surveys and corner records all I see is a mess for sure.
Nopey nopey, no requirements for public recording other than subdivisions with lots of less than 3 acres and no CCR requirements.
Some of this week's stones-Corner Records
This is a small sample of some of the corner records for the job.
The x'd out ones are just copies that I don't want to delete yet.
