Maybe a compromise? Call it a chain if it is a tape graduated in chains and links, and call it a tape if in feet or meters?
I could go on and on but my spirit has been broken.
One of the advantages "classic" surveyors have is they know how it was done which can be very useful in attempting to retrace old boundary surveys. For example, you have an old Record of Survey. It has a bearing on a north-south street and a bearing on an east-west street both of which just happen to exactly match the Deeds. You go out there, set up on the R/W corner (a pipe say), sight a found pipe south, turn the record angle and miss all the pipes going down the street to the east. I have seen this time and again. They would survey relative to the control for any given line but not necessarily report their measured bearings. Your technology will send you down the street diverging from the old monuments as you go.
Exactly. Like someone else said, it's great to know the history but we don't have to live there. I love learning from "classic" surveyors. I am not one that thinks I know everything. The problem lies where the "classic" surveyors think they can't learn anything from a younger person. I am not a graduate fresh out of college. I haven't been surveying as long as many of you on here but I have been surveying for about 15 years. I just recently decided to go back and finish my degree. I learned on the job from several "classic" surveyors. I also agree that "real education" begins for the traditional student after college. Yes, misused technology will lead you astray, but well used technology will lead you to prosperity.
When I was a Flight Instructor I learned more from my students than they learned from me.
only had to use my chains once this winter when the ice was bad.;-)
Well, That was fun
Got my fair share of abuse and learned from it.
Thanks
Don
Well, That was fun
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It happens to the best of us. 🙂
I cut my teeth w/ the held standard that anything on a reel is a tape - steel or cloth. The mantra drilled into me upon exiting the truck was "pins-bug-tape-shovel" (as in don't leave the truck w/ out them). I actually never got to handle a real "chain" ironically until college.
My experience (geographically limited as it is) is that the old ways are kept & observed in university teaching more than popularly believed. I would have never worked w/ an actual chain or turned angles with a Wild T-1 except for school; woulda never staked circular & spiral curves by turning angles & taping dists based on hand calcs, if not for school - a lot of these kids join student groups & memberships in their state societies and even ACSM, and compete in pacing & chain throwing contests, or traverses done w/ primitive equip & manual calcs. These young men & women are the future of this profession - will they (should they) get their chops busted as rookie journeymen? Well yeah, thats part of OJT, and a fun one at that - but making fun of them on an i-net forum for an outdated usage of a term thats quite a bit different than what was actually being referred to just seems kind of small IMO.
Chains required but whips are optional.
I agree with Butch. A tape ain't a chain.
I've got a two pole chain, but I don't haul it around.
I've got 100, 200, and 300 foot tape measures that I use occasionally.
I've used a chain, also, in a BLM retracement seminar, and one that Milt Denny(?) taught at Tupelo a few years ago. We ran some traverses with chain and compass, with varying closures, not exceeding about 1:1200.
Come on guys - lighten up!
A chain can be the thing with the links, or it can be what they call the steel ribbon that can be done up and tied with a leather thong, or it may be the steel ribbon that is cranked onto a reel.
Does it matter?
If you say "set the gun here and shoot those pipes," do you really expect someone to mount a fire arm over the baseline point and blast the pipes with bullets?
It is just a term.
The terms go with the profession and, believe it or not, can vary across the country, even across the state. One size does NOT fit all. And, that is a good thing.
Teaching the old ways is good. Refusing to budge from them, not so much.
Lighten up, please.
don't get me started about texting
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I'm really getting sick of trying carry on a conversion with someone only to find out they are not listening and staring at their *&^%$%$ phones.
Come on guys - lighten up!
Very well said fine Sir!!!
I tip my hat...
> I agree with Butch. A tape ain't a chain.
> I've got a two pole chain, but I don't haul it around.
> I've got 100, 200, and 300 foot tape measures that I use occasionally.
> I've used a chain, also, in a BLM retracement seminar, and one that Milt Denny(?) taught at Tupelo a few years ago. We ran some traverses with chain and compass, with varying closures, not exceeding about 1:1200.
I agree, I've never used a chain to survey and don't consider it typical jargon, there is a big difference. I don't use the term and never have, moreover anybody who's working with me and uses it to describe a tape gets corrected.
2 totally different animals
Ralph
Downunder terminolgy - Tasmanian at least -
Chains as in the old Gunters chain was way before my time, but we still called the steel band, be it 100 metres or longer a 'chain'.
It was just the generic name for our cadastral and engineering calibrated steel bands for measuring.
A tape was described as it came. Steel or fibreglass.
We would 'chain' or 'measure' a line = same thing but not necesessarily describe what we measured it with.
When EDM came the word 'chain the line' hung around for quite a while.
don't get me started about texting
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I am with Perry on this one. I might add to that: people who use no punctuation or capitalization at all. Some years ago a friend sent me an email with zero of both. It was amazing how many ways I could find his meaning. My then ex was an a former intellignece "gatherer" under Cap Weinberger. She could not figure out his meaning either. Nor could I.
I prefer to work with my trainees in a constructive and professional manner. There is no room for belittlement as that would only lead to resentment. I'm encouraged that they even have decided to pursue this career path. Some will find its not for them but I'm not going to be the reason they turn their back on it, I prefer to be part of the reason why they return the next year. It's called mentoring.
> grab the 100 chain out of the truck...
Starting your sentence with "Could you please" would have probably helped out what you were looking for...
There's one thing my old pappy told me, when you need something from someone, always use the word please in the sentence. Saying thank you is easier (as the benefits are received).
Previous poster hit it right on, it's all about mentoring. We all started the same way, someone (many in most cases) took the time to share their knowledge with us. With new learners, we have to have clear instructions. How are they supposed to know the jargon?
Anyway, in my neck of the woods, chains are what we put around the wheels of our vehicles for better traction. "Grab the chain? Why did we get stuck again?" Was your mind on calcs again, Mr. PLS?" (...)
We use the word tape for the item that you are describing.
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What I find difficult to read is when people don't use any paragraphs.
They keep going on and on stringing random thoughts together without starting a new paragraph.
You are looking at a big block of text that fills the whole screen and is very difficult to read.
I will sometimes put their text into a text document and add some carriage returns so I can separate their thought to make them readable.
> I prefer to work with my trainees in a constructive and professional manner. There is no room for belittlement as that would only lead to resentment. I'm encouraged that they even have decided to pursue this career path. Some will find its not for them but I'm not going to be the reason they turn their back on it, I prefer to be part of the reason why they return the next year. It's called mentoring.
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