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This is T20S, R30E, MDM.

First, Surveyor A set the N1/16th corner between Sections 2 & 3 (west line of Section 2). He proportioned it correctly, that is 20.07/40.07 * 2720.33 = 1362.54 (from the section corner on the north) or 20.00/40.07 * 2720.33 = 1357.79 (from the quarter section corner on the south). Then Surveyor B came along, measured slightly different numbers but accepted the 1/16th corner monument already in place. Surveyor B needed to subdivide the northwest quarter of Section 2 (specifically he needed to set the NW1/16th of Section 2) so he calculated the CN1/16th position of Section 2 but did not set it. What he did was put it on the mid-point between the center quarter section corner and the north quarter section corner of Section 2. Is this correct?

Section 2 is not really the issue right now but I need to subdivide the north 1/2 of Section 1. The North1/16th corners (between 1 & 2 and on the east line of 1) will be prorated as about but I'm not sure about the CN1/16th corner of Section 1. Guess I'll have to get the cookbook out.

I need to set the E1/16th between 1 & 36, the CN1/16th of S1, the NW1/16th, the CWNW1/64th, and the WW1/64th between 1 & 36. The W1/16th and the 1/4 between 1 & 36 are already in place.


 
Posted : August 24, 2017 8:47 am
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No, that isn't right, there should be about a 6' difference, shorter to the C1/4, longer to the N1/4.

I would try to hold the W1/16 if possible, look at my post where the BLM did just that recently.


 
Posted : August 24, 2017 8:59 am
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We have all 8 original corners of Section 1. We have positioned all of the original corners except for the southwest and southeast corners which are not needed for the current survey. Tulare County owns the east half of Lot 4, Lot 3 and half of Lot 2 (the boundary runs from the northeast corner of Lot 2 southwest to the southwest corner of Lot 2). They have the northwest half of Lot 2 and we have the southeast half.

I agree with accepting monumented 1/16th corners, that is why they are monumented.


 
Posted : August 24, 2017 9:47 am
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what is the patent history for Section 1?


 
Posted : August 24, 2017 10:05 am
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If there is no monument at CN 1/16 you can establish it where it belongs. Monuments mean things. Computations not so much.


 
Posted : August 24, 2017 10:15 am

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Peter Ehlert, post: 443019, member: 60 wrote: what is the patent history for Section 1?

(The scan image is a bit distorted)


 
Posted : August 24, 2017 10:36 am
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linebender, post: 443022, member: 449 wrote: If there is no monument at CN 1/16 you can establish it where it belongs. Monuments mean things. Computations not so much.

It may be there but I haven't found it yet. The Deed into Tulare County doesn't mention Government lots, just aliquot parts. Using the Lots favors Tulare County; ignoring the lots and using midpoints would favor the State Forest. There are a few old signs on Balch Park's south boundary so the boundary has been run but it may have just been done with Staff Compass.

The Balch Park deed is a gift deed with a section outlining conditions. In that section is a Description of an area the County can't use for logging or campgrounds. That description mentions a 4x4 stake at the east 1/16th between Sections 1 & 36 (found a stone mound with post hole on a creek bank within a foot or so of where it "should be"). The description also mentions a 4x4 redwood post at the CN1/16th corner but I haven't found it yet; the area looks like it was logged and possibly graded in the last 40 years or so.

We were walking on the dam of one of the ponds when an older gentlemen stopped us and told us all about constructing the ponds in 1958, very interesting.


 
Posted : August 24, 2017 10:45 am
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Dave Karoly, post: 443032, member: 94 wrote: (The scan image is a bit distorted)

Looks familiar, private/federal mix. At least the patents are old enough that the Feds weren't reserving. Looks fun!!


 
Posted : August 24, 2017 11:25 am
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MightyMoe, post: 443039, member: 700 wrote: Looks familiar, private/federal mix. At least the patents are old enough that the Feds weren't reserving. Looks fun!!

It's the most beautiful place I've surveyed, huge trees.

We are surveying the boundaries of Balch Park; the only place the Forest Service touches it is from the W1/16 corner between 1 & 36 west to the northwest corner of Section 1 (southwest of 36). The rest of the boundaries are solely between the County of Tulare and the State of California. The question of how to subdivide the north half of Section 1 doesn't affect any Federal interest. We will seek the opinion of the County Surveyor.


 
Posted : August 24, 2017 11:48 am
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being no federal interest I believe that local custom may control, perhaps some non record records can be found too. Hopefully the CS can fill you in on that. If not maybe a local surveyor.
absent deed calls other than adequate parts(vesting or adjoiner), and assuming no occupation, I would go by "the book" and break it down by the numbers. that should give you a search area for non record stuff in the field.
I am always suspicious of non record things with zilch for occupation, owners and tree harvesters set goat stakes many times.
sounds like a fun place!
photos to follow I assume


 
Posted : August 24, 2017 1:49 pm

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Try it here:

1375' from the N 1/4 on line with the C 1/4. That'll be $350 please


 
Posted : August 25, 2017 12:33 am
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protects the plat so yeah its is ok


 
Posted : August 25, 2017 5:13 pm