In a conversation with Perry Willams in a thread down below, Perry made this statement..
> All a recording act would do is raise the price of a survey making it less likely that the owner would get the parcel surveyed. Or drive the client to hire unlicensed people to mark the lines.
Now, we all know that California has some ridiculous fees in some counties for recording a RS and maybe some even charge for filing a CR, but I am sure that in other states the fees are quite reasonable, so my questions are...
1. What does your state or county recorder charge for recording a survey? List the state or county please.
2. Do you think that the charged fee is one that would drive a person to seek unlicensed surveyors to avoid the fee or even prevent them from having a survey done at all?
In my area (Los Angeles County) my clients are quite happy to know their surveys are going to be made public record. LA County has a modest fee of $ 170 for a one sheet RS and no charge at all for a CR filing.
This has been discussed before but the resistance to recording or filing surveys seems to me to be one of the major land mines in the road that causes the public to look upon us as less than professional.
From the Lincoln County Registry of Deeds site, State of Maine:
Lincoln County of Deeds Fee Schedule
Effective January 1,2011
DOCUMENT RECORDING FEES
$16.00 (13 for the first page + 3 surcharge per document
Exception: Documents filed by towns and agencies of the state are exempt from the $3.00 surcharge
$2.00 each additional page
$1.00 per name if more than 4 names are to be indexed
$13.00 per reference if a document refers to more than one previous recording
$2.00 will be charged for each additional page if a document does not have sufficient room for the location of recording information
DOCUMENT RETURN
A stamped self-addressed envelope should accompany all recordings for their return; otherwise a postage fee will be charged
PLAN RECORDING FEES
$18.00
DOCUMENT COPIES
$1.00 per page ~ in house
.75 per page ~ website commercial users
$3.00 per page ~ website pay per access users
PLAN COPIES
$5.00 per page ~ in house
.75 per page ~ website commercial users
$3.00 per page ~ website pay per access users
ATTESTATION
$1.00 per document
FAX CHARGE
$2.25 per page ~ in house
$2.25 per page ~ website commercial users
$4.25 per page ~ website pay per access users
> In a conversation with Perry Willams in a thread down below, Perry made this statement..
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> > All a recording act would do is raise the price of a survey making it less likely that the owner would get the parcel surveyed. Or drive the client to hire unlicensed people to mark the lines.
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> Now, we all know that California has some ridiculous fees in some counties for recording a RS and maybe some even charge for filing a CR, but I am sure that in other states the fees are quite reasonable, so my questions are...
>
> 1. What does your state or county recorder charge for recording a survey? List the state or county please.
>
> 2. Do you think that the charged fee is one that would drive a person to seek unlicensed surveyors to avoid the fee or even prevent them from having a survey done at all?
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> In my area (Los Angeles County) my clients are quite happy to know their surveys are going to be made public record. LA County has a modest fee of $ 170 for a one sheet RS and no charge at all for a CR filing.
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> This has been discussed before but the resistance to recording or filing surveys seems to me to be one of the major land mines in the road that causes the public to look upon us as less than professional.
1)It varies from town to town (Connecticut), but to record a map is about $35.00
2)There are so many fees in CT, whats one more....
it's not just the recording fees
What about the review of plans and plan-checking costs?
What about the delays when some reviewer doesn't like the location of the title block?
Every time NH has a budget crises, they raise the review fees on septic plans and petroleum storage tank plans. These are reviewed by unlicensed state workers whose main mission in life is to justify their existence.
Think what you want, but I see the prices that surveyors charge in CA and there are many times more expensive than they are around here.
Oregon requires Record of Survey maps if permanant mons are set.
Columbia County (where I primarily work) charges $200 to record a Record of Survey.
I don't think that is a factor in whether or not folks hire a surveyor.
I think the "unliscensed surveyor" issue is VERY RARE around here.
I can't imagine working in a state that does NOT require Record of Surveys.
Oregon
Portland Metro Area
Multnomah County $300
Washington County $350
Clackamas County $400
It is very hard to justify these fees to clients, but the law says, set a monument, file a survey.
So Dave
> Oregon requires Record of Survey maps if permanant mons are set.
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> Columbia County (where I primarily work) charges $200 to record a Record of Survey.
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> I don't think that is a factor in whether or not folks hire a surveyor.
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> I think the "unliscensed surveyor" issue is VERY RARE around here.
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> I can't imagine working in a state that does NOT require Record of Surveys.
So dave,
If someone hires a surveyor to reset a missing or disturbed monument, then the client must pay for and record ($200) a new plat?
it's not just the recording fees
> What about the review of plans and plan-checking costs?
It's all built into the fee. The $170 is the review and filing fee all rolled in tro one.
> Think what you want, but I see the prices that surveyors charge in CA and there are many times more expensive than they are around here.
Well, yes, but cost of living in So Calif. is a lot more than in your area.
TBH Perry, without some type of filed record, somewhere! I do not see how you would go about surveying the parcel you spoke about without a lot of scratching around and digging in likely spots or looking for drill holes in rock walls to get started. I have been surveying in a control area all my surveying life and frankly I do not think I could do so in one that just does not have records.
Joe makes my point
> Oregon
> Portland Metro Area
> Multnomah County $300
> Washington County $350
> Clackamas County $400
>
> It is very hard to justify these fees to clients, but the law says, set a monument, file a survey.
I would say a typical 3 acre retracement would cost about $1000. Using Joe's fee schedule, just the review fee would increase the cost by 30-40% (and that's not counting any additional costs & delays of reviewing, mylars, and delivery of the recorded plat to the registry)
In Ohio, the recording fees are set by the state legislature.
Under Sec. 317.32 the County Recorder shall charge and collect the following fees:
For recording and indexing when the photocopy or any similar process is employed, TWENTY EIGHT DOLLARS for the FIRST TWO PAGES and EIGHT DOLLARS for each page thereafter, size eight and one half inches by fourteen inches, or a fraction thereof, including the caption page of such instrument. Sec. 317.32. Minimum fee: $28.00 Additional page fee: $8.00
In my part of Illinois, which would be Western Illinois and generally pretty rural areas, the fee would be around $60 to file a plat. Its very rare anybody does any kind of review on a survey, and the reviews on plats is cursory at best. Recording surveys is not required except for subdivisions.
I think it has little impact on the public as far as the way they look on surveyors or if they would hire someone unlicensed or not.
In New York City,
Standard Maps (smaller than 24 x 36):
$20.00 + $5.00 for cover page and $5.00 per page
Non Standard Maps (larger than 24 x 36):
$24.00 + $5.00 for cover page and $10.00 per page
it's not just the recording fees
> TBH Perry, without some type of filed record, somewhere! I do not see how you would go about surveying the parcel you spoke about without a lot of scratching around and digging in likely spots or looking for drill holes in rock walls to get started. I have been surveying in a control area all my surveying life and frankly I do not think I could do so in one that just does not have records.
Paul, usually it's only the real old stuff that does NOT have monuments set, and of course all subdivisions and boundary lines adjustments must be recorded.
Joe makes my point
> > Oregon
> > Portland Metro Area
> > Multnomah County $300
> > Washington County $350
> > Clackamas County $400
> >
> > It is very hard to justify these fees to clients, but the law says, set a monument, file a survey.
>
> I would say a typical 3 acre retracement would cost about $1000. Using Joe's fee schedule, just the review fee would increase the cost by 30-40% (and that's not counting any additional costs & delays of reviewing, mylars, and delivery of the recorded plat to the registry)
How would a survey be 'delayed'? In California once a monument is in the ground and the surveyor places his tag, then it's good to go for all parties that have a common interest in that line or corner monument to use it as they wish. The filing/recording is just paperwork and does not validate the monument by waiting on a recorders index number.
Joes fee schedule would not necessarily be Perrys fee schedule.
Joe makes my point
Filing a survey in Morrow County, Oregon $25. Inspection of a Partition Plat $75, inspection of a subdivision Plat $125 plus $5/lot. Planning charges an application fee and the Clerk has a reasonable recording fee. Partition and Subdivision Plats are Recorded in the Clerks office and a copy is filed in the County Survey Records along with the filed boundary surveys.
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it's not just the recording fees - Perry
> Paul, usually it's only the real old stuff that does NOT have monuments set, and of course all subdivisions and boundary lines adjustments must be recorded.
Ohh, well, that I did not know. Perry, if someone does a boundary lines adjustment or subdivision are monuments required to be set or does that vary by what jurisdiction the survey falls under?
it's not just the recording fees - Perry
At least in NH it doesn't matter what the municipality wants:
"Lan 503.08 Monumentation Of Boundary and Subdivision Surveys.
(a) Monuments shall be set so that upon completion of the boundary and subdivision survey, each corner of the property will be physically monumented.
(b) When it is impossible or impractical to set a boundary monument on a corner, a reference monument shall be set, similar in character to a boundary monument, on the line of the survey or a prolongation of such. When an offset monument is set, it shall be clearly identified as such on the plat.
(c) Every boundary or reference monument set shall be composed of a durable material and set in a fashion to assure permanence. A permanent monument shall be any mark or marker which, if left undisturbed, will remain recoverable and identifiable, in place for a period of at least 25 years.
(d) Monuments shall include but not be limited to the following:
(1) Iron rod or iron pipe, 1/2" diameter minimum, marked with the license number or name of the surveyor;
(2) Bound made of concrete or stone, minimum 4" x 4";
(3) Drill holes or other identifiable marks in stone or concrete; or
(4) Brass or aluminum disc, 2" diameter, at a minimum.
(e) Adequate monuments shall not be disturbed. Inadequate monuments may be replaced with a well set and substantial monument. Double monuments shall be avoided whenever possible. The monument being replaced shall be noted in the field notes and on the plat, if one is prepared. When an inadequate monument is remonumented, the adjacent land owner(s) shall be notified."
“This has been discussed before but the resistance to recording or filing surveys seems to me to be one of the major land mines in the road that causes the public to look upon us as less than professional.”
I come from a state that does not record surveys and cannot debate this topic intelligently, but I know crap when I see it. Here in Texas, the public likes and respect their Surveyors.
God Bless Texas!
It should also be noted
that it does not say Recorded Surveys, all boundary surveys have to be monumented.
it's not just the recording fees - Paul D
>> (e) Adequate monuments shall not be disturbed. Inadequate monuments may be replaced with a well set and substantial monument. Double monuments shall be avoided whenever possible. The monument being replaced shall be noted in the field notes and on the plat, if one is prepared. When an inadequate monument is remonumented, the adjacent land owner(s) shall be notified."
I like that part. First time I have ever seen a quasi non pincushion law.
