I completed a survey today in Ohio for a gentleman that owns land in Presidio and needs a survey there.
I have an ongoing project near there. You may send him my contact info. Tony Trujillo is in Pecos but last time I talked to him he said he was too busy in his local area to go that far south. Steven Walker and Paul Spanagel are in Alpine, but both seem to be slowing down. I have never been able to get ahold of Mr. Walker at his listed number. Also, the TBPLS has a roster search function on it's website that lets you search by City or County. There are no surveyors in Presidio County.
Looking at the TBPLS website, I see there are 5 surveyors shown in Brewster County, which is probably the closest to Presidio.
Andy Nold, post: 431578, member: 7 wrote: Steven Walker and Paul Spanagel are in Alpine, but both seem to be slowing down.
I hadn't realized that John (August) Spanagel had changed his first name to "Paul". He was going by "John" the last time I spoke with him a week or two ago. 🙂
I don't have the TBPLS roster in front of me anymore because I am at home on my cellphone now but it is quite possible that I combined two different first and last names as I was flipping between Chrome tabs. I don't believe I have ever met Mr. Spanagel and the information about his work load was generated by a realtor near Terlingua.
Andy Nold, post: 431602, member: 7 wrote: I don't believe I have ever met Mr. Spanagel and the information about his work load was generated by a realtor near Terlingua.
Well, I would always trust a realtor to know pretty much everything about land surveying, so I'll tell John that he should consider changing his name to "Paul" the next time I see him.
The amusing thing about this is that the Ohioan who owns land in Presidio County may well have bought it over the internet. In that scenario, the least of their problems could be that they don't know where the boundaries of the land are. The fun will start when they learn what the bill will be for locating some remote tract on what might as well be Mars.
Ah. Ha. HA.
Hard to say what he is looking for until he contacts someone. Paul can call himself whatever he wishes. As for me, it was a transcription error.
The realtor wasn't the only person that commented on their business efforts, but it dawned on me that I didn't need to be commenting on things I don't know about. That's why I mentioned the realtor to say that the info was 3rd hand. I honestly have no clue what they are up to lately.
I don't know that I have any interest in going to Presidio County for an internet land sale, but I've dealt with so many now in Reeves County they are a little easier to tackle than the first One I dealt with. My clients have sufficient resources and reasons to locate these ephemeral tracts on the ground and it usually results in a small windfall for the surface owner, probably in excess if the cost of the land for a few of the absentee owners.
Andy Nold, post: 431610, member: 7 wrote: I don't know that I have any interest in going to Presidio County for an internet land sale, but I've dealt with so many now in Reeves County they are a little easier to tackle than the first One I dealt with. My clients have sufficient resources and reasons to locate these ephemeral tracts on the ground and it usually results in a small windfall for the surface owner, probably in excess if the cost of the land for a few of the absentee owners.
I'm going to say that I'm very skeptical that they get easier with practice when you consider that part of the exercise inevitably is actually figuring out where the tract subdivided really is located on the ground in the first place. One of the reasons that some section attracted an internet developer to subdivide it on paper was so cheap is that the land is and always has been nearly worthless. That usually translates into a major effort just to identify the tract subdivided since it will most likely be some bargain section in the middle of a block of railroad surveys made in the office. Considering that each block has its own specific history, there just won't be that much that transfers from one to the next.
I would not go to Presidio for a internet sale. It has gotten easier for me to establish a Carto Remote Sensing plat. Yes, establishing the section boundary is the key to placing parcels on the ground. Until the landowner calls someone and reveals his needs, you're pretty much just honing your omphaloskepsis skills.
I just got back from Presidio, and will go again, if the client is willing to pay the fees associated with my time going out there. I can be reached thru these boards, or at [email protected] http://www.sheppard-survey.com&apos ;">www.sheppard-survey.com or by phone at 325-695-6277. I will warn you, my fees are more aligned with doing larger acreage tracts...
I saw an ad on the ol' interweb not long ago from some shyster land sales outfit. You all's post reminded me of it and I looked it up.
"Neighborhood: RURAL PRESIDIO
Legal Description:1, D & P SEC 77 SPLIT FROM P#8179 NE/4NE/4NW/4
GPS Coordinates presented here are based upon the best date we have accumulated, but are not exact. The information is for the purpose of locating your property only. Prior to building a fence or any structure on your land, you should contact a Texas licensed surveyor to mark the exact corners of your property."
At something like 7K for 10 acres one might spend more on the survey than the actual property.
paden cash, post: 431646, member: 20 wrote: I saw an ad on the ol' interweb not long ago from some shyster land sales outfit. You all's post reminded me of it and I looked it up.
At something like 7K for 10 acres one might spend more on the survey than the actual property.
I can't imagine that land selling for $7k for 10 acres. I like the scenery, but $700 an acre would be a bit high!
I was in charge of a survey in Presidio where we did a topo of the border check station and tied in the bridge going across the Rio Grande. I can now say I have worked on an international project. Not sure of any surveyors in the area, but I know the hotel choices are scarce.
Monte, post: 431650, member: 11913 wrote: I can't imagine that land selling for $7k for 10 acres. I like the scenery, but $700 an acre would be a bit high!
Yeah, in Dennison & Pacific Rwy Co. Block 1, I'll bet that $70.00 per acre is more than the land is worth. It's a shame that P.T. Barnum didn't live long enough to have access to the internet. He could have sold both Oklahoma and some of the scrap lands of Texas several times over.
BrandonA, post: 431676, member: 11837 wrote: Not sure of any surveyors in the area, but I know the hotel choices are scarce.
Well, there's the Three Palms Inn or you could always stay at the Three Palms Inn.
Kent McMillan, post: 431760, member: 3 wrote: Well, there's the Three Palms Inn or you could always stay at the Three Palms Inn.
Palm trees in that part of the country is hilarious. I AM assuming the term "Three Palms" is referring to trees.....;)
Conversation with the owner: "Why did you name it "Three Palms?"
Owner: "We bought the neon sign used from a fella in Phoenix and it already had some palm trees painted on it...."
paden cash, post: 431771, member: 20 wrote: Palm trees in that part of the country is hilarious. I AM assuming the term "Three Palms" is referring to trees.....;)
Conversation with the owner: "Why did you name it "Three Palms?"
Owner: "We bought the neon sign used from a fella in Phoenix and it already had some palm trees painted on it...."
No, the Presidio area has water and there really are three palms at the Three Palms Inn. The above photo was taken in late February a few years ago. Right about now, the special feature of the Three Palms would be that the taps deliver two different temperatures of water: Hot and Hotter. The municipal water tank is sitting on a hill evidently chosen for maximum heat gain.
Kent McMillan, post: 431794, member: 3 wrote: No, the Presidio area has water and there really are three palms at the Three Palms Inn. The above photo was taken in late February a few years ago. Right about now, the special feature of the Three Palms would be that the taps deliver two different temperatures of water: Hot and Hotter. The municipal water tank is sitting on a hill evidently chosen for maximum heat gain.
I'm amazed.
At least there is ample water in the pool in case once decided to remove themselves from the bleak existence of the "Three Palms"....something along the lines of "you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave...".
paden cash, post: 431797, member: 20 wrote: I'm amazed.
At least there is ample water in the pool in case once decided to remove themselves from the bleak existence of the "Three Palms"....something along the lines of "you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave...".
I realize that Presidio cantaloupes probably don't make it North of the Red River, but the irrigated farms along the Rio Grande in and around Presidio produce the very best you would be able to buy (if you lived in Texas). They come to market very early in the season.
As for the Three Palms Inn: it really is the setting for part of a novel. Every visit has shown me something that I don't think I would have seen anywhere else and the missing piece is the explanation that ties it all together, something the literary imagination should be ready to supply.
Kent McMillan, post: 431800, member: 3 wrote: I realize that Presidio cantaloupes probably don't make it North of the Red River, but the irrigated farms along the Rio Grande in and around Presidio produce the very best you would be able to buy (if you lived in Texas). They come to market very early in the season.
As for the Three Palms Inn: it really is the setting for part of a novel. Every visit has shown me something that I don't think I would have seen anywhere else and the missing piece is the explanation that ties it all together, something the literary imagination should be ready to supply.
For example, on my last stay, there was a friendly young Asian woman who was in the habit of leaving her windows uncovered at night so that a casual passerby might notice that she had a closet well stocked with fairly fancy dresses. At dinner in the cafe beside the motel decorated like a shrine to Frida Kahlo, she sat with the owner of the motel, a fellow with a grey pallor that may have come from too much Agent Orange earlier a career with the CIA, and whispered into his ear.
Then there was the stretch limo sitting up on blocks outside the office.