When reviewing surveys by others, it is easy to tell who does everything electronically. They are the ones who intend to lay out a square parcel but report each side to be a few seconds out of square with respect to the principal line and a hundredth or two off distance-wise. Their instructions were to establish a square of specific dimensions on one side of a principal line. Apparently we have created a mass of buttonpushers who are willing to declare to the world that it is impossible to do so. It's no wonder we get shoved down into the Blue Collar category.
Truth be told, if someone else went out the very next day and shot those four monuments deadcenter they would arrive at a slightly different variation off of square, yet demand their numbers were right and the first guy's were wrong.
WHY DO WE HAVE TO LOOK LIKE IMBECILES?
Are the parcels required to be square or something? Because, it you don't need the parcel to be exactly square, it's more accurate to set the pins as close as possible and then locate them and report your measured distances.
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> WHY DO WE HAVE TO LOOK LIKE IMBECILES?
Because, I have to prove to the world that I am more right and more smarter than the other guy.
Agreed Perry,
It is what it is.
Randy
> Truth be told, if someone else went out the very next day and shot those four monuments deadcenter they would arrive at a slightly different variation off of square
Or, to up the ante, if the surveyor who constructed the plat
> went out the very next day and shot those four monuments deadcenter they would arrive at a slightly different variation off of square
Aye, there's the rub.
Some one may check the monuments and apply the ART of surveying. Any survey within a couple seconds, and within a hundredth would be OK. Push some buttons and make it a square guys.:-)
So, are you trying to tell all your clients that it is impossible to actually create a lot of certain dimensions? That everything will be some weirdass number instead of something that makes sense to everyone except a buttonpusher?
You are laying out a new subdivision block that is supposed to be 600 feet long by 300 feet deep, then creating 12 lots that all should be 100 feet by 150 feet. Instead, are you going to create a plat that says this one is 99.99 on the front and 100.02 on the back with one side being 149.99 and the other 150.02 and so forth and so on.? If you can't do it correctly, you have no business calling yourself a surveyor.
WHY DO WE HAVE TO LOOK LIKE IMBECILES?
Because some and most are!
No knowledge of boundary and measurement is a function of a button.
Pablo B-)
I'm saying it is a square, buttons or no buttons, the plan shows it as such,if another SAYS it's displaced by a couple seconds my hats off to him, he has my blessing to make the corrections for the next surveyor to call him wrong. I believe surveyors should see eye to eye on issues such as this. 🙂
No Holy...
> So, are you trying to tell all your clients that it is impossible to actually create a lot of certain dimensions? That everything will be some weirdass number instead of something that makes sense to everyone except a buttonpusher?.
No, we tell our clients that it will be cheaper to create a lot with weirdass numbers.
I disagree that reporting actual measurements, makes us look bad. In fact, reporting measurements within a few hundredths, validates the original work much more than reporting the record values. There are no magic numbers. Your measurements will never match record. Being able to explain the differences in measurements to clients is an important tool.
I don't think showing what i measure in the field as being different makes my measurement right and yours wrong, it's two different measurements, performed at various times with different equipment. IF my measurement is close to yours it says that we both do good work! That's my take, anyways.
No, I tell them that all measurements contain error and that we can only measure to the precision today's equipment allows. Nothing is perfect.
You all must be missing the point
YOU ARE THE ORIGINAL SURVEYOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm not talking about RETRACEMENT.
You are the one attempting to create the 100 by 150 lots. If you can't get them to be precisely 100.00 by 150.00 and at the correct bearing you are a F****** idiot and have no business calling yourself a surveyor.
You all must be missing the point
Someone's got their panties in a wad...if you start a post by saying, "when reviewing others work"...it sounds like retracement to me. Big deal I misread your post. I have no problem when someone reports what he actually measured. Anybody who thinks he sets his pins at their exact design location is really only fooling himself. Any competent surveyor can explain these minor discrepancies
You all must be missing the point
I started by mentioning the work of others because that is the only place I find such stupidity being practiced. I was referring to original surveys where they have been tasked with laying out a specific tract, say 660.00 feet by 660.00 feet and square. That is what the client instructed them to do. Instead they return a plat showing 659.97 on one line and 5 seconds out of parallel with the section line they intended to parallel. None of the three sides that were intended to be perpendicular or parallel to the section line are reported as actually being so by some weird number of seconds. They can't get numbers to be precisely 660.00 feet. Why not? Stupidity is the only answer I can think of.
Furthermore
Say the client calls the same surveyor back six months later and says to lay out another identical tract (660 x 660) adjacent to the first. Will the idiot surveyor pincushion himself when he now discovers the monument to be only 659.95 from the first monument?
Furthermore
The five hundredths came in when the day dreaming rod man let the prism pole drift off of plumb at the instant the EDM fired.
You all must be missing the point
> I was referring to original surveys where they have been tasked with laying out a specific tract, say 660.00 feet by 660.00 feet and square. That is what the client instructed them to do. .
If the client requested that the tract be EXACTLY 660.00 x 660.00 and the surveyor did not do what the client asked, then that is an issue between the client and the surveyor. The plan reviewer's opinion is a "don't care". His role is to determine if the plat meets regulations.
Furthermore
that is a very, very good explanation Dave. why didn't I think of it. I used to be one. happened all the time. supposing someone would check the diagonals on the four monuments. would we be ready to go on that project if thy checked within 0.07m/l I'm thinking of ALTA standards of course. Or could we get started on the ten acres, Or maybe get moving on the twelve lots. I think a good check on ALTA would do it. have TO Check on what Holy Cow thinks. It's HIS topic and I'm loving it to death.
Charley B.
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