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I was wondering if anyone knew the history of the symbols we use as section corners, and how far back they have been in use. 
Given the triangles involved I almost wonder if it goes clear back to cuneiform? 


 
Posted : August 17, 2023 9:20 pm
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Wow! That's heavy. I guess it's from the Egyptians. Don't forget about the triangle symbols we use for traverse points.


 
Posted : August 18, 2023 6:18 am
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I have done some researching in my local area (PNW), and have come up with the following:

Section corners in the style of an "iron cross" or "pinwheel" are not actually as old as I thought.
beginning around 1908, there were standard "Plat for R/W" forms that showed the section lines in a 1:400 scale and had predrawn little curved arrows at the corners and 1/4 corners as distance tie arrows. In the age of hand drafting, this would have been a pretty efficient time saver. 
Around 1917 it first appears in the style of modern usage, likely just a stylized version of the distance arrows from the decade before. 
This doesn't appear on private surveys in my area clear until the 1950's.


 
Posted : August 21, 2023 4:57 pm
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Personally, I have never adopted the usage of any symbol other than whatever is used for that type of monument.  If it's a found 1/2" iron bar, that is what appears.  The corner is labeled as to what it is, i.e. Northeast Corner Section 16 or Northeast Corner of Northeast Quarter of Section 16.


 
Posted : August 21, 2023 6:00 pm
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We use that symbol and then list the CP&F of that corner.


 
Posted : August 21, 2023 6:10 pm

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CP&F = ?


 
Posted : August 21, 2023 6:13 pm
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Corner perpetuation and filing record.  I think other states have these but they're simply called corner records.


 
Posted : August 21, 2023 8:56 pm
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Ah.  Thank you for the clarification.  We have the LSRR.  Land Survey Reference Report for Government corners.  Not sure who invented the term.


 
Posted : August 22, 2023 8:45 am
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Ah.  Thank you for the clarification.  We have the LSRR.  Land Survey Reference Report for Government corners.  Not sure who invented the term.

You meant an LCR?

 

 


 
Posted : August 22, 2023 3:40 pm
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Please excuse my response to this post. I was off-base because I didn't fully comprehend the question. Symbology is a relevant part of our profession. Incidentally, does anybody know why we use a triangle with a dot in the middle of it to represent a traverse point?


 
Posted : October 13, 2023 11:04 pm

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I've always assumed that it was because of the association between survey control and the classical geodetic method of triangulation used to establish it.


 
Posted : October 14, 2023 5:31 am