Original Monuments To What Per Whom ?
If you hold an adjoiner line from axle to axle as called for in "adjoiners deed or plat" sixth course then you say so on that survey line. A found monument needs to have some standing before you bow to it. If you have not confirmed these monuments by surveying to the commencemnet of the fifth course and the termination of the seventh course then your survey is less than half done.
Paul in PA
Well, I'll be!-THANKS NATE
I AGREE AS WELL BUT MYSELF I'M ABOVE THAT--PEOPLE MAKE DECISIONS TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY BASED ON MY INTERPRETATIONS--THEY SHOULD EXPECT FROM ME A DEFINITIVE SOLUTION THAT WILL STAND UP IN COURT--NOT A BUCH OF MEELEY MOUTHED WORDS THAT WILL FORCE ME TO LOOK AT MY FEET WHILE TRYING TO DEFEND A VERY WEAK POSITION--I HATE TO LOSE --ITS AN INJUSTICE TO NOT BE POSITIVE THAT I HAVE THE BEST ANSWER BASED ON MY 42 YRS EXPERIENCE--THATS WHY I WOULD PICK AN OLD FART SURVEYOR LIKE MYSELF 99.99 PERCENT OF THE TIME--NOT A JUNIOR SURVEYOR, WET BEHIND THE EARS HAVING TO LEARN IN A COURTROOM--THE TASTE OF CROW IS NOT ON MY MENU----TDD
PAUL LOVE THE PULLTOY
THAT NEEDS TO BE YOUR AVATAR-REALLY--
BACK TO THE CASE-- I WANT EVELYN ON MY TEAM !!!
SHE HAS THE RIGHT MOTUS OPERENDAE--IF YOU CANNOT EFFECTIVELY ANSWER YOUR OWN QUESTIONS ABOUT YOUR SURVEY, HOW DO YOU EXPECT OTHERS TO DECIPHER YOUR SURVEY OR REASONING THAT PRODUCED YOUR DEPICTION--TDD
PAUL IN PA
PRECISELY MY DEAR WATSON !!! TDD
PAUL LOVE THE PULLTOY
> THAT NEEDS TO BE YOUR AVATAR-REALLY--
Glad you got a laugh out of that Ted 😉
I'll keep my avatar if it's ok with you..reminds me of some better times if you get my drift.
Stacy, did you have room to put a hex with # in it at each line to point out which note they reference. Then have a separate table with the pertinent info for each one.
Well - I must say
So far, IMO
THIS string has been the best to date on Beer Leg
Kinda reminds of the old rpls days
LOVE'IN IT
Back to the note
The original question was about the note, not about what Stacy held. He made that decision already.
I agree with what some others have said. I would start first with the acceptance of the monuments that were determined to be original and undisturbed and that they match the long-standing occupation lines although they do not match the dimensions shown on the Willis Tract and contained in the description in deed book XX, page XX, as shown hereon.
Or something like that.
6th
To each his own. I thought it had been one of the most annoying to date. Do you also watch WWF?
Back to the note
> The original question was about the note, not about what Stacy held. He made that decision already.
And my response was to Ted who went beyond the note.
as far as Stacys note..
>I would like to know if the note I placed on the plat is sufficient in describing what I did and why
The only one that can answer that question is Stacy.
6th
To each his own?
WWF ? WTF?
Every survey you prepare runs the risk of being critiqued by some JackWagon.
Every survey you prepare will be looked at tomorrow, next week and 30 years from today. Not only by surveyor at some time, but by lay people and possibly by the courts and by hostile other parties that desire to defame you or the property owner, based upon the plat you prepare.
This thread is very important as to why it's very important to what you do, what you say and how you say, before you put your name & seal to it.
Paul
The board's tree structure made it look like I was making that comment to you. Not the case. Right, Stacy has to be comfortable with the note in the context of his map but hey, he asked and I replied. Not having seen the map, from his explanation it sounds more like he held the undisturbed original monuments which were relied upon and now the occupation lines follow the monument lines. All I'm saying is the note sounds like he held the occupation lines more than the monuments. If that's what he did, then leave the note as is.
Paul
> The board's tree structure made it look like I was making that comment to you.
Just to clear this up: If you click the "post reply" link under a person's post, it will be shown that is who you are replying to. If you want to reply to the original post, then click on the "post reply" link under the very first post in the thread.
Hope that helps explain it a bit. Now back to your regularly-scheduled thread. 🙂
I don't often chime in here, but I do read most of the threads pretty thoroughly. I would have to say that this has been by far the most entertaining "pure survey" thread that I have yet to see posted on BeerLeg. After looking at the names represented in this thread, I knew I would have to read the whole thing. Congrats to all of you. This is what makes BeerLeg my favorite discussion board (outside of the Boise State Broncos football forums).
Glad to see that Ted is enjoying his vacation to New England.
out,
BC
I am heading out and didn't have enough time to read all the new responses, but I did want to add something. I think there is a need to specifically state that the neighbors, as well as the client, agree to the lines as you surveyed them. If there is any hint of disagreement we need to note it on the plan or in the report.
You have identified a problem but you offer no solution and the surveyor is the only one who can provide a solution.
Does your state have statutes of limitation or repose? If so, the occupation lines are the legal boundaries and the description must be corrected which is the solution you need to convey to your client.
If your client is the land owner, you and they can prepare and record a correction document that does not include deed forms.
Remember, the record controls everybody BUT THE SURVEYOR and the surveyor is the one who detects and provides a means to correct the errors in the record, not attorneys.
Richard Schaut
Your note says what you did, but really doesn't add anything. Your survey plat should clearly show any discrepancies in bearing and distance between record and measured.
Since there is a discrepancy in record bearings and distances, your survey should address the nature and cause for the discrepancy and any uncertainty that might apply.
You should address why you held the monuments over the bearings and distances.
It's easy to show things are different, but having an explanation for the difference adds so much more to the survey.
Like someone said before, sometimes things just are what they are. Well, maybe just for now.
I've given this some thought. At first I liked the note but on reflection then I think it is not necessary and just gives uncertainty to your decision.
I printed your note out and had two people read your note this morning. I did not give them any suggestions but just asked for their opinions. Neither were surveyors.
Both felt like it said that you were not sure of the deed for some reason but instead honored occupation. They both missed the obvious holding of original monuments which any surveyor would have understood that the monuments were in and that they just failed to meet the math in the deed.
I then showed them a map with lines that had (r) Record versus (d)Deed on lines and they immediately said that was just a measurement difference but the points are the same on the map.
Their property corners.
That is what you are showing so the note is not necessary and only leads to confusion for non-surveyors.
A deed gives you guidance but a monument gives you resolve. I think this is what you said but the note muddies the water in my opinion.
Deral
One of the reasons I posted this yesterday was a friend of mine (PLS) looked over the plat for me before I added the clarification and immediately questioned what was going on in that area. I really think the note, along with what I have shown graphically is very clear. There was just too much clutter in that area to tell the tale without a note. I appreciate all of your comments and see that I have room for improvement which ever way I decide to go with it. I would have liked to have done a detail or "blowup" of the area. I even appreciate TDDs rather stern words. He kind of reminds me of my Dad. He always had one opinion and one only!:-) Thanks again everyone for all the views presented. It sure makes this board worth the price of admission!
We'll see what the lawyers think of it as well when they get a peek.
Note on plat--COME TAKE YOUR WHIPPIN !!!
> YOU MY FRIEND ARE THE PROBLEM NOT THE SURVEY--THE SURVEY HAS A SOLUTION "FIND IT" OR GIVE IT TO A REAL SURVEYOR THAT WILL FOLLOW THE FOOT STEPS--IF YOU WERE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD I'D BE BOILING TAR AND STRIPPING FEATHERS OUT OF MY PILLOWS-- NO MEELEY MOUTHED STATEMENT WILL DETER ME FROM EXPECTING A SURVEY NOT A GRAPHIC MAP THAT MATCHES A POLAROID---TDD
Ted,
If it was my survey, I would dare you to argue with me.
You ready to accept your ass whuppin?
SJ
