Loyal, post: 453552, member: 228 wrote: Field work 2009-2010, approved in 2012
Took a while to get back to the office.
It being a new survey you can probably figure it's a GPS survey and the bearings, distances represent inverses.
That being said you would need to know a geographical location to calculate it.
I made the assumption that it is at N40degrees, the longitude isn't important to check closure.
I calculated "around" the figure and it closed by my calcs .25'.
Of course the angles and distances aren't reported very close if you are trying for a .01' closure.
It's important that you pay attention to directions, you can't really calculate it like a grid figure clockwise or counterclockwise through the entire figure. A difference in latitude will make a difference in closure.
A few years back while I was working for a firm in East Texas our Secretary found a little program that would let you highlight the bearings and distances in a Word description, it would then plot them and show you the closure or mis-closure. This was really great for catching all kinds of errors. It only cost about $100 dollars back then.
Bushwhacker, post: 454274, member: 10727 wrote: A few years back while I was working for a firm in East Texas our Secretary found a little program that would let you highlight the bearings and distances in a Word description, it would then plot them and show you the closure or mis-closure. This was really great for catching all kinds of errors. It only cost about $100 dollars back then.
Net Deed Plotter.
https://deedplotter.com/?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1
"The price of Net Deed Plotter?? remains only $200 for the first license."
Net Deed Plotter has a 30 day free trial. I use it at the DOT. Tech's type the descriptions, I run it through Deed Plotter for closure and area checks. We have State Plane Coordinates for the commencement point and POB. DP will write a dxf file that I reference into Geopak. In Geopak I write a kmz file and bring into Google Earth Pro. Simple, easy, fast! DP will write a coordinate file to check coordinates from the commencement point to the point of beginning, and through the ROW markers. Makes spotting problems at a glance. Makes my job easy.
Jim in AZ, post: 453651, member: 249 wrote: Agreed - the ability to "adjust" measurements is a task well-suited to the "expert measurer" rather than the true boundary surveyor.
Shouldn't a true boundary surveyor be an expert measurer?
Shawn Billings, post: 454351, member: 6521 wrote: Shouldn't a true boundary surveyor be an expert measurer?
Not necessarily...I have located many boundaries without measuring (possibly with the exception of pacing, at which I am not an expert).
When I check subdivision plats - the first step is for closure - because nothing else really matters if it doesn't close. acad makes it so much easier to omit TRANSPOSITION errors of the old days, but there are still ways to misclose with acad, faster and easier than before: e.g., today, surveyors shoot the pin, and all the surrounding uilities, such as elec. pedestal, power pole, etc,with GPS, and the draftsman tags a utility pedestal instead of property corner on the plat.
i am aware of a mere 6 foot misclosure problem on a 5 acre lot - and there has been unresolved disputes and mass confusion - ongoing - since 1964.
Shawn Billings, post: 454351, member: 6521 wrote: Shouldn't a true boundary surveyor be an expert measurer?
But an expert measurer may not be a very good boundary surveyor (usually a grandfather engineer)
Shawn Billings, post: 454351, member: 6521 wrote: Shouldn't a true boundary surveyor be an expert measurer?
A boundary surveyor should measure expertly between the proper locations of the property corners based on the preponderance of evidence. Accurate measurements should be a given. Proper rules of construction should be as well.
Poor measurements are never more desirable than good ones, even if excellent ones aren't essential.
You want both of course, but give me the right boundary layout with the wrong B&D's over good measurements to the wrong points every time. And that's not an academic statement, far from it.
I use the lot manager in carlson. Make sure the m&b on the plan matches the linework. It also describes the points at the corners. That way I can ensure corners at existing monuments are to the located monument itself, not an imaginary plan or deed corner located hundredths or tenths away. A good way to keep an eye on those crafty drafters...
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With the tools available today there is no excuse for poor measurements on a boundary survey, nor is there any excuse for a well measured poor decision. The idea that you cannot achieve quality in both areas is ridiculous. If you can't then please do something else.
thebionicman, post: 454466, member: 8136 wrote: With the tools available today there is no excuse for poor measurements on a boundary survey, nor is there any excuse for a well measured poor decision. The idea that you cannot achieve quality in both areas is ridiculous. If you can't then please do something else.
Since GPS has gained wide use, I seldom come across any measurement issues. Normally it's disputes pertaining to the location of the line, or typos, but even typos are rare these days.
Of course I live in more open country than many and GPS works almost everywhere.
MightyMoe, post: 454507, member: 700 wrote: Since GPS has gained wide use, I seldom come across any measurement issues. Normally it's disputes pertaining to the location of the line, or typos, but even typos are rare these days.
Of course I live in more open country than many and GPS works almost everywhere.
The advent of GPS here was followed by new measurement errors. That happens with every new tool. Over time those who care have learned and moved past that phase. We still have the willfully ignorant anong us, but I agree. The most frequent (and egregious) errors are rooted in ignorance of the law. That will not improve until we include boundary law in our education and licensure processes. By 'law' I'm talking case research, establishment doctrines the laws that make real property unique in our respective States.
The trend these days is 'remove barriers to licensure'. Anyone who thinks that will improve things is beyond help...
