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Very first page- the introduction- third paragraph…

“Under the Land Ordinance of May 20, 1785, only the exterior boundaries….Township plats were marked by subdivisions in to sections or lots….commencing with No. 1 in the SOUTHEAST corner of the township and running from south to north in each sequence to No. 36 in the NORTHWEST corner of the township “

what am I missing?


 
Posted : October 18, 2012 8:05 am
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Not missing a thing...

It's just one of the many 'typos' that plague the first printing. You'll note how far into the Manual you had to get before finding one.

Gotta luv it.


 
Posted : October 18, 2012 8:25 am
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thanks paden- actually coming to the Great State next week to sit for the PS and state specific-after coming across that, i was beginning to think i was in real trouble:-D


 
Posted : October 18, 2012 8:37 am
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ummm...wait a minute

Well....wait a minute...

I'm not for sure, but there's an outside chance that they use to number the sections differently in 1785. That might be the case elsewhere..but not in either the Indian Territory, Oklahoma Territory, or No Man's Land.

...around here there's 36 sections. 1 in the NE corner of the twp., numbered in a boustrophedonic method to 36 in the SE corner...you know the drill.;-)

BTW, good luck!


 
Posted : October 18, 2012 8:47 am
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ummm...wait a minute

I think Mr. Cash is correct, remember something like that from school. Besides my 1973 Manual has the same introduction. Think they would of fixed a 36 year old typo?


 
Posted : October 18, 2012 8:56 am

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ummm...wait a minute

No typo, The instructions were different than they are now. I don't work in Ohio but I've heard as you go from east to west the rules changed quite often across the land. All of this is in my old school notes somewhere.;-)


 
Posted : October 18, 2012 9:05 am
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That is how they did it in the original 7 ranges.

The PLSS in Ohio was a work in progress. The numbering system was changed to the one we use today by the Act of 1796.


 
Posted : October 18, 2012 9:07 am
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Act of May 18, 1796

This should help...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Ordinance_of_1785


 
Posted : October 18, 2012 9:32 am
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Land Survey Systems by John G. McEntyre gives a good documentation on the rectangular system and its' evolvement.


 
Posted : October 18, 2012 10:24 am
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My apologies

to all that worked on 2009 Manual. Although I'm sure there's errata that needs to be addressed in any new publication, I didn't mean to imply that the 2009 Manual was full of them.

A good number of dedicated surveyors put in thousands of hours to update the Manual of Surveying Instructions and bring it into the 21st. century, and I hope I speak for all when I say "thank you".

That being said, I'd also like to admit openly that I'm not a good government employee. Never have been. Tried it for a good long time and never got used to it. It only hurt worse the longer I stayed. I'm sure that my employer was just as happy as I was the day I left.

So for all the old geezers that cash their federal retirement checks every month and whittle Christmas toys for Lipitor money I apologize.


 
Posted : October 18, 2012 10:33 am

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RAGOODWIN

Not missing a thing.

System just started that way and has been explained by others here.

Keith


 
Posted : October 18, 2012 10:40 am
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RAGOODWIN

I guess, I won't even mention five mile townships, by design.

Link


 
Posted : October 18, 2012 10:58 am
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My apologies

That was very gracious, Mr. Cash, and it is certainly true that an undertaking such as the Manual is large and difficult, requiring hard work by many people who richly deserve our gratitude. It is also true that a phrase such as "full of 'typos'" [you didn't say it exactly that way, I know] is subjective. How full is full? I have reported to the errata page somewhere between 200 and 250 typos, ungrammatical sentences, misstatements of measurement, and so on. A little shy of one every two pages. Some say that's full, some say it isn't. The errata page, last time I looked, hadn't been updated since 12/16/2010.

Best,
Henry


 
Posted : October 18, 2012 11:44 am
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I hope this is on the test. I'm not going to forget it now.


 
Posted : October 18, 2012 1:11 pm
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What's a Manual of Instructions 2009......

and what's this 1 - 36 stuff? And what's this beustro whatever.

Some day you guys got to get with real surveying!


 
Posted : October 18, 2012 1:17 pm

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What's a Manual of Instructions 2009......

Pioneers - Pilgrims

Apples - Oranges

just sayin'.....;-)


 
Posted : October 18, 2012 1:21 pm
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Act of May 18, 1796

For the first 15 years of my surveying experience MOST of the townships I worked in were in the Old Seven Ranges. Only place in the U.S. I know of that is numbered this way. Also in most of Ohio earth curvature WAS NOT taken into account during the original surveys. Long time ago had a discussion with U.S. Forest Service surveyors that wanted curvature applied in the Old Seven Ranges. No -- No and NO!!! Then had to explain history. They were from another state and not licensed in Ohio. Ohio was the test case and we get to deal with ALL THE FUNNY STUFF THAT DIDN'T QUITE WORK!!!


 
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What's a Manual of Instructions 2009......

> and what's this 1 - 36 stuff? And what's this beustro whatever.
>
> Some day you guys got to get with real surveying!

Forgot to mention above that a large portion of Ohio was originally surveyed under the laws of Virginia. Colonial style random stream bed & ridge top descriptions are common in the Virginia Military District of south central Ohio. Dave would likely feel right at home in that area.


 
Posted : October 18, 2012 2:52 pm
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RAGOODWIN

Or the Spanish land grants in Florida that are numbered in sequence starting with Section 37. There is one township either in Flagler or St. Johns County that has "sections" numbered as high as 110. They are pure hell to retrace.

In case anybody's interested here's a link:

http://www.dep.state.fl.us/lands/files/spanish_land_grants.pdf

Have a great weekend! B-)


 
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WELL, I never.....

"Some day you guys got to get with real surveying!"

You got some nerve Ingram! PLSS surveyors actually MEASURE boundaries. It's a little more than following a rock wall to Bubba's crick then go to Emits outhouse etc...;-)

Have a great weekend!B-)

ps: still using the Acer!


 
Posted : October 18, 2012 3:27 pm

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