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Anyone planning to sign up for the two-week free test drive of the Triumph-LS? It's a pretty intriguing offer, and the purchase price is appealing, too. I'm thinking about doing it...


 
Posted : October 13, 2013 10:26 pm
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P.S. I have no affiliation with the company; I'm not shilling for Javad, just wondering what others think of the equipment, pricing and demo opportunity.


 
Posted : October 13, 2013 10:28 pm
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> P.S. I have no affiliation with the company; I'm not shilling for Javad, just wondering what others think of the equipment, pricing and demo opportunity.

Well, it sounds as if Javad is desperate to make some sales after his involvement with LightSquared pretty much ruined the brand name.

Just out of curiosity, what would you expect the usable service life of whatever you purchased to be and how would you go about estimating what the actual service life might be with any measure of confidence?


 
Posted : October 13, 2013 11:47 pm
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I am still using the now Topcon Legacy-E receivers, previously Javad Legacy-E, which were probably made in 1998-2000. I have no reason to believe that his new stuff would have less of a life expectancy.


 
Posted : October 14, 2013 5:25 am
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This is not a new tactic. As I recall they offered some sort of deal with the Triumph several years ago. The triumph seems to have proven itself. If I had a need for additional GPS equipment, I would definitely give it a shot.


 
Posted : October 14, 2013 6:27 am

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> ...Javad is desperate to make some sales after his involvement with LightSquared pretty much ruined the brand name.

My guess is clients in 90% of Javad's markets have never heard of LightSquared


 
Posted : October 14, 2013 6:41 am
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Tempting. 864 channels is huge. But there is just a maze of buttons on that thing! Learning curve could be challenging. 2 weeks may not do it.


 
Posted : October 14, 2013 9:01 am
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Are there any pictures that show how you mount it on a pole to get survey grade results? It looks like a tablet to me. I assume you mount that part on the pole to act as the DC, and then use an external antenna up top?

As an aside, I don't like the brands of equipment that limit your options with a DC. This isn't a Javad specific problem, but all the non major players don't work with TDS. Carlson works with a lot of the non major brands, but I can't see how this could/would cooperate with another DC. It's very important to me to have compatible DC operations with my robot.


 
Posted : October 14, 2013 11:39 am
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That is intriguing, thanks for bringing it to my attention


 
Posted : October 14, 2013 11:52 am
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I'm signed up! What can it hurt? Slow time of year in my area so I'll have time to play with it a bit.


 
Posted : October 14, 2013 3:10 pm

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What is a Triumph LS?

What model is it?

Nate


 
Posted : October 15, 2013 4:21 am
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Lights are on but there's nobody home

The "Light" is still on in these modified Triumph receivers...

LightSquared Inside

Javad's Lightsquared Solution

Javad GNSS Partnership with LightSquared

Can the TRIUMPH-LS benefit from LightSquared communication channels for receiving RTK corrections without LightSquared channels?


 
Posted : October 15, 2013 5:18 am
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> Are there any pictures that show how you mount it on a pole to get survey grade results? It looks like a tablet to me. I assume you mount that part on the pole to act as the DC, and then use an external antenna up top?

The box is the whole shebang -- it mounts on the pole like a more conventionally-shaped receiver (think Trimble R8 or a Leica GS15). The big difference is that with the Javad the data collector is an integral part of the receiver box, so this isn't something you'll be mounting on a 2-meter pole unless you're day job is with the NBA.

With the Triumph-VS -- of which the LS is (I think) a variant with a particular suite of options -- you can add an external antenna port for $300 so that you can mount the antenna higher than the user interface.


 
Posted : October 15, 2013 7:46 am
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> unless you're day job is with the NBA

Ahem..."your," not "you're."


 
Posted : October 15, 2013 5:04 pm
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Did you just "Spelling Nazi" yourself? 😀

I'm just having a hard visualizing how this is intended to work ... If that acts as a antenna, receiver, and data collector all in one, it seems like something has to give. I mean, if I kept it at a normal level of a rod mounted DC ("belly button level +/-) you'd think you'd be blocking out sats with your body and adding to multipath. And conversely, if I mount it on the top of the pole, as you pointed out, it will get nice reception, but it makes it difficult to use it as a DC.

I don't know, maybe the light will come on for me if I see a photo of someone using it, to see how it is intended to be used for survey grade work.


 
Posted : October 15, 2013 7:44 pm

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If I were in the market for GPS equipment I wouldn't hesitate for a minute to try it.


 
Posted : October 15, 2013 7:55 pm
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> Did you just "Spelling Nazi" yourself?

Indeed. It's an illness.

> I don't know, maybe the light will come on for me if I see a photo of someone using it, to see how it is intended to be used for survey grade work.

Here's one from the Javad brochure:


 
Posted : October 15, 2013 8:37 pm
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The integration of receiver and data collector is unusual among pole-mounted receivers. (It's not unusual historically, as the Ashtech Z-12 and Trimble 4000-series did the same thing. But you wouldn't want to haul one of those around on top of a pole.) The integration seems like it'd be appreciated under most conditions, but would be a real drawback if you need to get the antenna above head level.

I did some cross-sections of a ditch last week. I used a total station, but initially thought about renting a network rover for the work. (I don't currently own an RTK receiver.) The ditch was about 20 feet wide and 9 feet deep (no water), and I had to put the prism on top of 16 feet of fiberglass rod in order to get the flowline shots. If I had been relying on the Triumph-LS for that work, I'd have been in trouble.


 
Posted : October 15, 2013 10:04 pm
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Thanks for posting that, Jim. Seems like an interesting idea, but there are too many drawbacks for the way I like to do things. I do like the design of his Triumph-1 receivers, though, other than they apparently don't talk to TDS.


 
Posted : October 16, 2013 6:13 am
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Agreed. 5 Odyssey receivers still doing static work weekly. Best used equip I have ever bought.


 
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