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Hi guys

I just surveyed this piece of land for an Architect who's asked for details on all the significant trees on site.

Are the two features in the attached image trees or stumps? You can see from top to bottom that they're approximately 3.3metres tall (11 foot).

There are no branches with foliage on.

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Kind regards, Andrew


 
Posted : June 13, 2021 1:48 am
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Could these be trees that have been recently pollarded?


 
Posted : June 13, 2021 2:43 am
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They are most likely trees that have recently been trimmed that way.?ÿ Henceforth I will be using the term, pollarded, thanks Bill C.


 
Posted : June 13, 2021 4:06 am
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Good call Bill C, also looks like trees that have been trimmed in anticipation of an above Cat3 hurricane. ?????ÿ


 
Posted : June 13, 2021 6:23 am
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@bill-c?ÿ

Old dog learned a new-to-me term today. Thanks. BTW, out in the hinderland (the term the Co. Appraiser uses for our rural areas), we collect multipointed pollarded antlers from whitetails.


 
Posted : June 13, 2021 7:24 am

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I, too, learned a new word today.?ÿ Was disappointed to find there was no connection to Michael J. Pollard

I would refer to this mess as a tree.?ÿ A true stump does not have limbs.?ÿ From a construction perspective, the main concern is whether to leave them as is or to incur the expense to remove them.


 
Posted : June 13, 2021 9:21 am
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@holy-cow Or deal with tree ordinances in the planning and permitting processes.


 
Posted : June 13, 2021 9:31 am
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Aarrgghh.?ÿ This is why I work in the boondocks.?ÿ Very little contact with the bureaucratic BS intended to tell everyone how to do what three people have decided will be best.


 
Posted : June 13, 2021 9:35 am
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Posted by: @john-putnam

planning and permitting processes.

Fee simple used to mean you could plant and cut trees on the property as you alone saw fit.


 
Posted : June 13, 2021 9:51 am
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@bill93?ÿ

It still does in most of my world.?ÿ I do my best to avoid that minority area.

My first real experience with that came when I purchased a couple of old houses in a city with a codes enforcement officer with an overactive "f** dem bastids" attitude.?ÿ A little guy with a power complex.

Sold them both rather than call him out into the street and give him some Old West treatment.


 
Posted : June 13, 2021 10:04 am

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That's why I like working for big timber companies. I can chop down a big tree that is in my way and nobody cares. In town I've got to be really careful where I turn the machete loose.


 
Posted : June 13, 2021 10:10 am
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Many thanks Bill C for putting me straight, have just labelled them "Pollarded tree" on my topo and feeling very smart!


 
Posted : June 13, 2021 11:24 am
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A significant fraction of the state was hit with major storms on Friday or Friday night.?ÿ Power company workers are still working.?ÿ The town where Mrs. Cow teaches took a direct hit.?ÿ Many trees are now both trees and stumps.?ÿ The tree portion is spread out across the yard/vehicle/house/garage/Sheryl's She Shed.?ÿ The root ball and the main trunk is somewhere between 40 and 90 degrees from straight up.?ÿ It was sad to note such a really big tree went down in the nearby cemetery.?ÿ It landed on numerous headstones.?ÿ I was surprised to see that great-great granny was NOT hanging from the roots where they had overlapped an old grave based on the position of the headstone.?ÿ The school property lost two very big trees and one of the four light poles serving the football field.?ÿ By some miracle, that pole and the lights barely missed hitting one end of the bleachers and a school bus.?ÿ A couple of the light fixtures stopped bouncing about 80 feet from top (now end) of the pole.?ÿ Missed the bus by no more than two feet.

We were much more fortunate here.?ÿ I lost a cottonwood tree that was probably a sapling when the Government surveyors rolled by in 1865.?ÿ A second one of similar size about 20 feet away is still standing, though.


 
Posted : June 13, 2021 2:48 pm
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@holy-cow I remember Michael J Pollard!


 
Posted : June 13, 2021 11:11 pm
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@holy-cow ????


 
Posted : June 13, 2021 11:18 pm
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Iƒ??m glad that SurveyorConnectors enjoyed learning about pollarding. Seeing old, pollarded trees is something Iƒ??ve enjoyed when traveling in Europe. Other interesting European pruning and training techniques include coppicing (and see related term ƒ??copseƒ?) and espalier.


 
Posted : June 13, 2021 11:27 pm
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@bill-c?ÿ

The early settlers in my region started hedge nurseries.?ÿ Not your typical ornamental hedge but the Osage Orange tree.?ÿ These were then installed along property lines.?ÿ I have been told the original plan was do something similar to the pollard practice.?ÿ First any branches starting out lower were to be left alone and any new sprouts were to be bent downward to form an impenetrable, thorny, natural fence.?ÿ Apparently, the pruning and training practice disappeared over time.


 
Posted : June 14, 2021 7:50 am

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