Scott Ellis, post: 383941, member: 7154 wrote: Shawn,
Guilt is self-induced I never said anyone's name or brand in my post, however if you feel guilty and that the post was about you well that's on you. I would not have to shift thru anything to find where you are guilty of breaking the rules on this forum. All anyone would have to do is look at your signature line.
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I don't feel any guilt, just a bit of frustration. I added the text to my signature line because there were members of the message board who desired I provide more disclosure. It was not an advertising decision.
In recent posts I've mentioned that other manufacturers produce RTK equipment that provides high accuracy. Some of them I can only speculate about. Some I've seen first hand. I mention my specific brand from time to time because it is a detail to what I've observed. I've never suggested that you must buy only my brand to provide quality results. I've never spoken I'll of another brand on this site. I have been an advocate of RTK and it's proper use for some time. I share my personal discoveries and observations. Unfortunately I often get sprinkles of "my favorite color of flagging is..." or "I'm tired of hearing about brand x". If you don't find value in what I offer, feel free to scroll on by. I'd appreciate some honesty in how you evaluate what I say, but I'm not expecting anything. Recently a non-Javad user posted about a new device Javad has started advertising. The topic strayed off course relatively quickly and turned to an argument about the suitability of RTK for boundary surveying. I started a new thread to discuss exactly that. I only mentioned my brand as a matter of detail to my personal experience, but as an advocate for RTK, in general, I mentioned specific models from various manufacturers, of which I have personal experience, that also provide great accuracies. As an advocate for RTK, I'm not opposed to those using static only with a total station. I think it's the best course to learn about precision GNSS. It also provides great results. Increasingly I think surveyors should embrace precision GNSS, whether static or RTK because geodetic positioning of our work has such value to the public and our professional posterity.
As an advocate of RTK and its proper use, I'm going to keep discussing RTK here until Wendell asks me to stop. I'm going to leave my signature as-is for the purpose of full disclosure.
I prefer mechanical pencils. There is never a pencil sharpener around and these days you can't carry a pocket knife in the county clerks or court house.
I have never felt obligated to read every thread. I can select topics and author. Not sure if I read 10% of the posts. We are free to think & read what we like while ignoring the rest.
For what it is worth, I am ALL ABOUT continuing education. The kind, where folks take stuff home, (in their heads) that helps them in EVERY DAY life, and that would mean surveying, for alot of us.
I was caught in a vortex of mis information, early in my quest to acquire knowledge about GPS gear.
Here is some of the Mis information, along with the "Rest of the Story".
GPS Don't work. -- It does work, but you had better not put your base under a carport.
GPS Don't work in the trees. -- It does work, if you give it enough time.
GPS Don't lie. --- It CAN LIE, when the conditions are right.
GPS is accurate --- GPS accuracies vary
GPS is reliable --- not all the time. You had better learn when to trust it, and when to double check it.
GPS is Good. It's all I need. --- For what? To get you lost? GPS is a TOOL. Misuse the tool, and you are going into varying degrees of trouble.
I want to ENCOURAGE all connoisseurs of all surveying equipment to understand, and use all the tools they have... with understanding.
Capiche?
Monte, post: 383900, member: 11913 wrote: I want to share my like for wooden pencils, as I like how they feel over the mechanical pencils between my fingers, and I can tell by a simple glance when I will be running out of lead, instead of it being a surprise in the middle of writing my notes.
Well, I'm not a pencil expert but I know enough about writing to get the results I need out of one. I like mechanical in the field, but for the office there's nothing like a Berol Turquoise; far and away superior to any other brand I've tried. Much easier and faster results than typing and printing in some cases. I have checked them against the typed and printed document and get fantastic repetitive matches. I have not run the results through least squares to determine the exact accuracy comparison between the two but am convinced they suffice for certain jobs.
Note: I am not a salesman or tech advisor for Berol, and I was turned on to them by an old boss who gave me a couple for free:)
Pen man myself. Eschewed pencils decades ago. Do it right the first time. That'ss myy motttoo.
I am so upset by all the references to flagging on this site. Flagging is so overrated. Put flagging on something, and it BECOMES a survey mark. It's almost like a surveyors stamp on the marker. It offends me.
Now, I am ok with finding the old CLOTH FLAGGING. But, this vinyl stuff. OFFENSIVE!
🙂
Holy Cow, post: 384017, member: 50 wrote: Pen man myself. Eschewed pencils decades ago. Do it right the first time. That'ss myy motttoo.
Berol's the perfect pencil for the pen man. Writes as smooth as a pen, and doesn't have an eraser. I'm told it works in Arkansas and Texas, your results may vary.
Is this a Survey site or GPS store?
Calm down...it's both a survey site and a GPS store 😉
Shawn Billings, post: 384004, member: 6521 wrote: I don't feel any guilt, just a bit of frustration. I added the text to my signature line because there were members of the message board who desired I provide more disclosure. It was not an advertising decision.
In recent posts I've mentioned that other manufacturers produce RTK equipment that provides high accuracy. Some of them I can only speculate about. Some I've seen first hand. I mention my specific brand from time to time because it is a detail to what I've observed. I've never suggested that you must buy only my brand to provide quality results. I've never spoken I'll of another brand on this site. I have been an advocate of RTK and it's proper use for some time. I share my personal discoveries and observations. Unfortunately I often get sprinkles of "my favorite color of flagging is..." or "I'm tired of hearing about brand x". If you don't find value in what I offer, feel free to scroll on by. I'd appreciate some honesty in how you evaluate what I say, but I'm not expecting anything. Recently a non-Javad user posted about a new device Javad has started advertising. The topic strayed off course relatively quickly and turned to an argument about the suitability of RTK for boundary surveying. I started a new thread to discuss exactly that. I only mentioned my brand as a matter of detail to my personal experience, but as an advocate for RTK, in general, I mentioned specific models from various manufacturers, of which I have personal experience, that also provide great accuracies. As an advocate for RTK, I'm not opposed to those using static only with a total station. I think it's the best course to learn about precision GNSS. It also provides great results. Increasingly I think surveyors should embrace precision GNSS, whether static or RTK because geodetic positioning of our work has such value to the public and our professional posterity.
As an advocate of RTK and its proper use, I'm going to keep discussing RTK here until Wendell asks me to stop. I'm going to leave my signature as-is for the purpose of full disclosure.
Shawn,
Let me try to get all the facts correct. You are a RPLS in Texas and also a JAVAD Salesperson. You know the forum rules do not allow for advertising yet you made the decision to add it to your signature line, knowing your were breaking a forum rule, yet used the reasoning "full disclosure" as a loop hole to justify your decision.
You saw a thread where a "non-javad user" ( I did not know you knew everyone who does and does not use Javad) was talking about a product you sale, and I read and even made a post talking about that new product, and no one really had anything great to say about it.
So as a Salesperson for that brand, you made a thread defending your product, sure you could have just said RTK vs Static but you decided to name the brand you sale.
Then you read my thread about is this a Survey site or GPS store, and assumed it was about you. You then accused me of spreading "manure" about you.
My two simple questions to you.
1) Do you know the forum rules do not allowing advertising?
2) Do you have advertising in your signature line?
Duane Frymire, post: 384015, member: 110 wrote: Well, I'm not a pencil expert but I know enough about writing to get the results I need out of one. I like mechanical in the field, but for the office there's nothing like a Berol Turquoise; far and away superior to any other brand I've tried. Much easier and faster results than typing and printing in some cases. I have checked them against the typed and printed document and get fantastic repetitive matches. I have not run the results through least squares to determine the exact accuracy comparison between the two but am convinced they suffice for certain jobs.
Note: I am not a salesman or tech advisor for Berol, and I was turned on to them by an old boss who gave me a couple for free:)
Does the Berol Turquoise meet all of the International Organization for Standardization, standards for mechanical pencils?
Scott Ellis, post: 384022, member: 7154 wrote: Shawn,
Let me try to get all the facts correct. You are a RPLS in Texas and also a JAVAD Salesperson. You know the forum rules do not allow for advertising yet you made the decision to add it to your signature line, knowing your were breaking a forum rule, yet used the reasoning "full disclosure" as a loop hole to justify your decision.
You saw a thread where a "non-javad user" ( I did not know you knew everyone who does and does not use Javad) was talking about a product you sale, and I read and even made a post talking about that new product, and no one really had anything great to say about it.
So as a Salesperson for that brand, you made a thread defending your product, sure you could have just said RTK vs Static but you decided to name the brand you sale.
Then you read my thread about is this a Survey site or GPS store, and assumed it was about you. You then accused me of spreading "manure" about you.
My two simple questions to you.
1) Do you know the forum rules do not allowing advertising?
2) Do you have advertising in your signature line?
It's a statement of fact that I provide sales and support for Javad. There were members of the forum that were disquieted that I did not disclose that fact, so I disclosed it. No I do not have advertising in my signature line. I added it in response to those who felt I was not being ethical by omitting that disclosure.
You should spend a little more time on your facts:
I don't know what equipment everyone uses, but I do know that DMyhill uses Topcon RTK, not Javad, and he started the thread about the new magnetic locator. No one had anything great to say about it because no one outside of the Javad test group has seen it. What do you expect people to say about a product with which they have no experience? Next, I was not defending a product in my thread "RTK for Boundary Surveying", I was defending a technology which is represented by numerous products from numerous manufacturers. I'm trusting you can see the difference.
Well, I have yet to see any money for my opinions on this forum.
I'm a surveyor.
Are all product vendors excluded from this site, IF they admit they are a vendor?
That would seem counter productive.
And, I LIKE texas GLO flagging. Product endorsement. But, I have NO clue about that company.
Where is my coffee mug? It says "Beer Leg" I endorse them too!
Gotta go run my GPS equipment.
🙂
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Jones, post: 384023, member: 10458 wrote: Does the Berol Turquoise meet all of the International Organization for Standardization, standards for mechanical pencils?
The one I am currently fingering is stamped thus: "U.S.A. Quality Control No. 21"
I believe this is sufficient for surveying related use under the current statutes in Texas. I'm not so sure about Arkansas.
Scott Ellis, post: 383941, member: 7154 wrote: Shawn,
Guilt is self-induced I never said anyone's name or brand in my post, however if you feel guilty and that the post was about you well that's on you. I would not have to shift thru anything to find where you are guilty of breaking the rules on this forum. All anyone would have to do is look at your signature line.
Forum Rules
- Be nice.
- No spam or porn.
- No advertising. This includes links or images in your signature or avatar. Also, you may not post your products or services for sale in this forum; the Buy/Sell/Trade category is reserved for individuals or non-dealer businesses to sell their own used equipment. If you are a dealer or reseller, please contact usdirectly for details about how you can advertise here.
- The Buy/Sell/Trade category is intended for surveying-related equipment. Please do not post firearms.
- The rules and Terms of Use DO apply to avatars as well. Nice try.
- Political discussions are not allowed. Anything you post that contains a political or religious lean will be removed and your account will be locked, banned or both. For example, if you want to talk about sports, donÛªt add political banter to your sports pos
Here's the deal...I wish MORE...not less reps from equipment manufactures were on this site. It would be awesome if they had their own little area to hash it out...but none but Javad would come to the party...
leegreen, post: 384006, member: 2332 wrote: There is never a pencil sharpener around and these days you can't carry a pocket knife in the county clerks or court house.
Can't take a pocket knife into the courthouse? I have been to one courthouse that felt that way, and thought it was odd. Texas is currently in a debate on carrying handguns in courthouses, because the definition of "premises" is under review by the judicial system.
Nate The Surveyor, post: 384018, member: 291 wrote: Flagging is so overrated
I agree! Seems like these days so many hunters use flagging to mark trails that finding flagging is just a good way to get your hopes up! Or to call attention to a "neat old marked rock" that a hunter can then take home to show everyone
I always get better accuracy when I drive a Ford truck. The Econo-Boost feature alone will increase positional accuracy by a full Sigma and decrease my carbon footprint. Note: My ex-wife had a step cousin that worked at a Ford Dealership.
Also, I think it would be great if Javad would buyout Star*NET. Think how he could innovate the software.
Shawn Billings, post: 384004, member: 6521 wrote: I don't feel any guilt, just a bit of frustration. I added the text to my signature line because there were members of the message board who desired I provide more disclosure. It was not an advertising decision.
In recent posts I've mentioned that other manufacturers produce RTK equipment that provides high accuracy. Some of them I can only speculate about. Some I've seen first hand. I mention my specific brand from time to time because it is a detail to what I've observed. I've never suggested that you must buy only my brand to provide quality results. I've never spoken I'll of another brand on this site. I have been an advocate of RTK and it's proper use for some time. I share my personal discoveries and observations. Unfortunately I often get sprinkles of "my favorite color of flagging is..." or "I'm tired of hearing about brand x". If you don't find value in what I offer, feel free to scroll on by. I'd appreciate some honesty in how you evaluate what I say, but I'm not expecting anything. Recently a non-Javad user posted about a new device Javad has started advertising. The topic strayed off course relatively quickly and turned to an argument about the suitability of RTK for boundary surveying. I started a new thread to discuss exactly that. I only mentioned my brand as a matter of detail to my personal experience, but as an advocate for RTK, in general, I mentioned specific models from various manufacturers, of which I have personal experience, that also provide great accuracies. As an advocate for RTK, I'm not opposed to those using static only with a total station. I think it's the best course to learn about precision GNSS. It also provides great results. Increasingly I think surveyors should embrace precision GNSS, whether static or RTK because geodetic positioning of our work has such value to the public and our professional posterity.
As an advocate of RTK and its proper use, I'm going to keep discussing RTK here until Wendell asks me to stop. I'm going to leave my signature as-is for the purpose of full disclosure.
I like your posts about RTK and the Javad projects but you know that you are never going to recommend another product over Javad.
I do find that if someone like daAryan makes a bodacious post about Javad that the other Javadistas like you and Adam pipe in for support.
I did think that the post with Frank W. might have crossed a line but it's Wendell place.
I thought that setting up sales demo arrangements in the post was a bit out of the ordinary. Never seen that here. Maybe you should have been taken the conversation off the board but engaging a respected poster is good salesmanship.
I always like the Kent confrontations, sometimes they provide good survey discourse. Sort of a psuedo cowboy type shoot-out on Main Street.
You should get the Javad Boss to hire DeAryan to do the Javad YouTube videos. Yours are a little slow and dry.
It's hard to self-direct oneself. Camera work and framing was very good.
Scott Ellis, post: 384022, member: 7154 wrote: Shawn,
Let me try to get all the facts correct. You are a RPLS in Texas and also a JAVAD Salesperson. You know the forum rules do not allow for advertising yet you made the decision to add it to your signature line, knowing your were breaking a forum rule, yet used the reasoning "full disclosure" as a loop hole to justify your decision.
You saw a thread where a "non-javad user" ( I did not know you knew everyone who does and does not use Javad) was talking about a product you sale, and I read and even made a post talking about that new product, and no one really had anything great to say about it.
So as a Salesperson for that brand, you made a thread defending your product, sure you could have just said RTK vs Static but you decided to name the brand you sale.
Then you read my thread about is this a Survey site or GPS store, and assumed it was about you. You then accused me of spreading "manure" about you.
My two simple questions to you.
1) Do you know the forum rules do not allowing advertising?
2) Do you have advertising in your signature line?
Scott,
Would you prefer for those who are involved in sales and support to NOT make expert comments on various topics?
For my part, I find Shawn's articles to be useful, and I have no Javad equipment, and most likely never will (not anti-Javad, it just doesn't fit).
I am 100% positive that Shawn would follow whatever instructions Wendell gave him, so I am not sure what the issue is. Why the hurt?
