How often do you encounter such corners? This is on the edge of the largest city around. Future development be damned, just make it work! One bar is on the center line of the street. The other bar is 15 feet away at a 90. Surveys and corner reports filed per Statute.
As this is not my first rodeo, I have become a bit numb to such stupidity. I've seen two section corners about 30 feet a part on about the same alignment of what was a US highway. I've seen two quarter corners about 28 feet apart based on how the original settlers laid out their own fences and tree rows. I've seen two quarter corners about 75 feet apart based on early surveys by the first County Surveyor of the section to the east and the section to the west. Sadly, I have witnessed too many cases of the current surveyor applying straight line and half (or prorated distance) per THE BOOK and ignoring the evidence that calls for a much more agreeable location for many landowners in adjoining sections.
You need not worry about micrometers, decimal places, StarNet, and other such precision supporters, when the study of the history of monuments found AND not found is essential. In the first instance cited above, The same surveying firm set one of the monuments first and then set the second fully knowing it was in disagreement with their first work.
How often? not for a couple of years. But - that's how long I've been retired. Regularly before that. After after EDM use became common it started then when CADD and GPS came in it worsened. Before all that, not so much. They say it's not about measurements but this increase in setting new corners most certainly coincides with the ease measuring and ease of calculations. I have enough fingers to count the number of times I've encountered a corner that was truly lost in my career.
So..... what does the "survey firm" have to say about this condition? We don't see this kind of thing much, or at all, in the Greater Portland area. The County Surveyors are statutorily responsible for restoring and maintaining the PLSS cadastre and are, more or less, sufficiently funded to do so - up to a point.
The OK board has been fairly vocal about a responsibility on the part of a surveyor finding such conditions to contact the surveyor that perpetrated them and the responsibility of the perpetrator to respond.
I have to completely agree with Norm. It's all about mathmagic.
In the early 90's I did a survey for a client; the northeast corner of a Section was needed to determine a property line between my client and a small tract of about 50 acres along the client's boundary. There was a dispute about it, the small tract owner pulled a knife on the ranch manager as they argued. The decision at the time was to forget about that part of the boundary line. By the time of the dispute I had figured out the Section corner was an obliterated corner with State highway plans showing where the original monument was located.
Years later I got a call from another surveyor who saw my nearby recordations and wondered if I had info for the Section corner. I explained what I had found, told him I'd be onsite for the Section line a mile to the west in a few weeks, so we met onsite then.
I explained where I would set the monument, he was totally against doing that, said it didn't "fit" mathematically. I had a bit of a jaw dropping moment, since I had no dog in that fight I told him it's his decision, but that I disagreed. I never did look up where he finally put it, but I sure wouldn't prorate that one. Some surveyors have to prorate it everything, I honestly don't get it. But I'm guessing math adherence is the main reason for finding multiple monuments at corners, especially the ones from the same company.
We don't get too many of them, but there are notable exceptions.
What did the survey company say when you called them about it or did you just find their monuments? Maybe one is a point on line intentionally.
My role in this is as a reviewer for a survey in one of the sections. I was provided with two corner reports for what should be a single corner. I had to ask if one was mislabeled. That's where the story started. This was by a totally separate survey firm. The firm that set both corners have multiple surveys in each section. If in 5, use this. If in 8, use that.
I didn't know he moved to Kansas.
If in 5, use this. If in 8, use that.
I've heard of situations like that but I haven't run into one myself yet. It sounds like they start with a pincushion and after they've been relied on for a while there's no undoing it. Is it unfortunate? Sure. I wouldn't call a company stupid for documenting a situation that they may have had no hand in creating though.
My first one of those was between Sections 27 and 28. Ask the surveyor which bar was the 1/4 corner and he says which section are you in?
The bars were 25' apart, the north one for Section 27 and the south one for Section 28.
No need to make this so hard.
This was a case of east-west fence lines terminating into a county road on each side of a Section line road and they didn't line up by 25'.
It's simple, set two bars.
In this case you have overlapping section lines, with what appears to be Section 8 land being stolen by Section 5, or vice versa. Fifteen feet times 5280 feet or about 1.82 acres. What is the value for that in your neighborhood?
Yep, make it easy, two bars for one corner and all the trouble disappears.
LOL
It took years to clean mine up, it's still a bit messy on the GIS.
"...about 1.82 acres. What is the value for that in your neighborhood?"
I should say a few million dollars, hereabouts.
