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First Request That The Neighbor Provide A Survey

> Of course before you do this you want to be absolutely sure of the fences locations, so surveying one line does not cut it.

Years ago, my friend, his father in-law and the neighbor found all the corners for both properties and verified their location.

The neighbor knew where the property line was and, with blatant disregard, placed his fence any where he wanted....

 
Posted : September 3, 2012 7:52 am
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We are talking about 4/10ths, right?

4/10ths in a typical suburban neighborhood is next to nothing.

I assume the neighbor is not a Surveyor. He probably thinks the fence is on line between the existing monuments. It took two Surveyors with specialized skills and equipment to detect otherwise. I would give him the benefit of the doubt. OK this is going to sound sexist but be careful about the complaints of elderly women.

My advice is do nothing, don't write letters, don't complain, it isn't worth it.

Hell my fence is off 4/10ths in places, it is just typical.

Attorneys love to see someone coming to them as a matter of principle. Those people spend the most on trifling issues.

 
Posted : September 3, 2012 8:04 am
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To make it so this situation doesn't happen; isn't there some place, back east, that doesn't allow anything to be built within 2 feet of the boundary? I thought I remembered someone posting something like that on the old board....

How's that for a cannonball?

 
Posted : September 3, 2012 11:00 am
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Dave, I side with you. In my mind there was no malice towards the mother in law when the neighbor replaced the fence. If she is an elderly widow, I would think there are more important things to worry about than 60' of fence over the line 0.4'.

 
Posted : September 3, 2012 11:07 am
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"To her, it's more about principle, than it is about goodwill and fellowship. "

It's a good thing that she is getting her survey work done for free then, because principle can get pretty darn expensive.

To make it so this situation doesn't happen; isn't there some place, back east, that doesn't allow anything to be built within 2 feet of the boundary? I thought I remembered someone posting something like that on the old board....

Maybe so, but how many times have you seen a property line with two fences running down it on either side and four feet apart?

 
Posted : September 3, 2012 2:51 pm
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> It's a good thing that she is getting her survey work done for free then, because principle can get pretty darn expensive.

What makes you think it was free? 😉

> Maybe so, but how many times have you seen a property line with two fences running down it on either side and four feet apart?

I've seen plenty of property lines with 2 fences, one on either side of the line and if I remember correctly; the poster that talked about the 2 foot restriction, said that the whole county had 4 foot gaps between fences on properties with fences and that it was real ugly. Lack of maintenance was a huge problem.

 
Posted : September 3, 2012 3:04 pm
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> > It's a good thing that she is getting her survey work done for free then, because principle can get pretty darn expensive.
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> What makes you think it was free? 😉
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Well you got me there - good for you

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> > Maybe so, but how many times have you seen a property line with two fences running down it on either side and four feet apart?
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> I've seen plenty of property lines with 2 fences, one on either side of the line and if I remember correctly; the poster that talked about the 2 foot restriction, said that the whole county had 4 foot gaps between fences on properties with fences and that it was real ugly. Lack of maintenance was a huge problem.

If you saw lots of property lines in that subdivision with two fences running parallel to the line and 2 feet off the line, then I'd say that I guess you have the answer to that question. But hey, good luck with it all anyway.

 
Posted : September 3, 2012 4:18 pm
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Now I'm confused:

I'm not supposed to use my RTK/RTN GPS to do lot surveys; because of the uncertainty in my measurement for anything under 130', but I'm supposed to tell my client that 0.4' is nothing to worry about?

 
Posted : September 3, 2012 4:30 pm
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> If you saw lots of property lines in that subdivision with two fences running parallel to the line and 2 feet off the line, then I'd say that I guess you have the answer to that question. But hey, good luck with it all anyway.

Sorry about the confusion; I was talking about a post, years ago on the old board. Where the poster claimed that the county ordinance said you needed to leave a 2' gap between whatever you built and your property line.

And, in my 37 years of experience; I've seen several fences right up to the line, on both sides of the line.

 
Posted : September 3, 2012 4:35 pm
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It doesn't sound like the neighbor was after a land-grab, it being only 0.4'.

If it's a nice fence, then what's the big deal? There are bigger things to worry about in life.

As far as granting a license - I'm guessing that she'll be dead or moved out long before the fence begins to rot, so let the next owner deal with it, if the 0.4' is a concern to him.

 
Posted : September 4, 2012 3:56 am
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> It doesn't sound like the neighbor was after a land-grab, it being only 0.4'.

From what I've seen, the father in-law was a stickler for detail, the neighbor wasn't, therein lies the rub. Now, with the old man out of the picture, the neighbor feels there should be a more lax attitude, the mother in-law doesn't; therein lies the current rub.

> If it's a nice fence, then what's the big deal? There are bigger things to worry about in life.

It is a nice fence, but the mother in-law had no say in what or how it was put up and her departed husband most assuredly would have; to her it's a big deal.

To you and I, there are many things bigger in life to worry about. To a 70 something, widowed women, it's about all she's got left.

Don't get me wrong here, I agree with most everyone who's posted to this thread; it's not that big of a deal. I was presenting her side of the argument and was hoping to find a way to persude her to see it our way.

Nothings jumped out at me yet.....:'(

 
Posted : September 4, 2012 11:50 am
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Right on!:good: :good:

 
Posted : September 4, 2012 2:05 pm
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Well, you could maybe not tell her about the 0.4' - say that the nice new fence is on "pretty much on-line".

But it's probably too late for that now, huh?

 
Posted : September 5, 2012 3:40 am
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> But it's probably too late for that now, huh?

Yes, but I do think I've found my answer:
I was talking to a friend of mine last night, an insurance salesman and he asked if it changed the value of the property?

BING! The light bulb over my head lit up! If anything, it is adding to the value; a nice new fence, well built, easy to look at. The house is now too much for a widow all alone and she will probably sell it soon. This should make a good selling point.

Thank you; to all who participated....:bye:

Dugger

 
Posted : September 5, 2012 8:38 am
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