How far out could the survey be?
> > There is probably a similar problem in a recording state, i.e. figuring out which records of surveys are erroneous junk and which are gold.
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> There is, but no where near to the extent there is in a non-recording state. A good rule of thumb is that ifthere is not enough information on a survey to be able to tell if its good or not, it probably isn't.
Well, in Texas, the metes and bounds descriptions that are modernized and incorporated into deeds of conveyances are, under the standards of practice, expected to recite connections to all of the survey evidence upon which the boundary location was based. This is unlikely to be a rule that a surveyor in, say, Oklahoma City working by remote control in Central Texas would feel obliged to observe, but it actually is a rule.
>(a) All reports shall delineate the relationship between record monuments and the location of the boundaries surveyed; such relationship shall be shown on the survey drawing, if a drawing is prepared, and/or separate report and recited in the description with the appropriate record references recited thereon and therein.
So, a metes and bounds description of land in downtown Austin, Texas that doesn't contain Clue One about how the conclusions represented by it were reached should be considered to be junk.
Kent, we've found your Okie culprit!
Why, that's a young Junior Samples. He once won a $10 bill for winning a "Laziest Man" contest and when they came to give it to him they found him napping on the floor. They woke him and told him what they had for him. He said, "Could you just slip it in my back pocket for me."
>Yes, but I'm going to say that anyone who would "trust" an Okie surveying company to do more than slam PK nails in a county road is out of their freaking mind.
Thats a mighty wide brush you are painting with.
James
> >Yes, but I'm going to say that anyone who would "trust" an Okie surveying company to do more than slam PK nails in a county road is out of their freaking mind.
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> Thats a mighty wide brush you are painting with.
But, as I mentioned above, I was absolutely correct in my initial assessment. The work product I saw is easily the very worst I've ever examined for a survey of that category of property. Coincidence that this is the work of someone from OKLAHOMA CITY, OKLAHOMA trying to "survey" in AUSTIN, TEXAS? I think not.
I'm not questioning your assessment of the one company that did come to downtown for a survey. My comment is directed at your assumption that ANY surveyor from Oklahoma is just as incompetent. That's what I meant by the wide brush.
James
> I'm not questioning your assessment of the one company that did come to downtown for a survey. My comment is directed at your assumption that ANY surveyor from Oklahoma is just as incompetent. That's what I meant by the wide brush.
Well, you missed the point, then. The point was that any surveyor in OKLAHOMA CITY, OKLAHOMA trying to survey land in DOWNTOWN AUSTIN, TEXAS is obviously a goose. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that any competent surveyor would realize that it is delusional to think he or she could do it.
This is what you said. It may have not been your point but IT IS what you said:
>Yes, but I'm going to say that anyone who would "trust" an Okie surveying company to do more than slam PK nails in a county road is out of their freaking mind.
James
> This is what you said. It may have not been your point but IT IS what you said:
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> >Yes, but I'm going to say that anyone who would "trust" an Okie surveying company to do more than slam PK nails in a county road is out of their freaking mind.
Yes, that does seem to be the normal standard of practice in Okieland, judging by what one reads on this discussion forum. If you want to believe that land surveying is practiced at high standards in Oklahoma, I'm sure you won't have any difficulty finding evidence to support that view and will be willing to share it. I've read too many Okie corner records describing PK Nails in county road pavements supposedly marking PLSS corners to think that I mischaracterized what commonly passes for surveying up there.
When Norman Oklahoma posted that he thought he might very well be the ONLY Star*Net user in Oklahoma, I wasn't surprised.
And that, good sir, is what is wrong with our profession
The theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property.
KARL MARX, The Communist Manifesto
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I think Mr. Marx would be offended with such an undertaking. I believe he went on to say that Land Surveyors needed to be eliminated. Been a while since I studied Marz.
My point was that you appeared to be painting with a brush as wide as Oklahoma. I think you have cleared that up quite well.
James
> My point was that you appeared to be painting with a brush as wide as Oklahoma. I think you have cleared that up quite well.
Parts of the Panhandle don't require that wide a brush.
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Evidently in Oklahoma, as long as the map says "ALTA" somewhere on it, it's an ALTA survey regardless. BTW, I was a bit off on the value of the real estate. It's more like $60 million these days.
Oh is that all you need? That will be $179.99. Have a great day!
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In NY, our brush covers anything W of NJ... 😉
Kent McMillan, post: 312119, member: 3 wrote: > My point was that you appeared to be painting with a brush as wide as Oklahoma. I think you have cleared that up quite well.
Parts of the Panhandle don't require that wide a brush.
Well....that's just the brush handle.
JaRo, post: 312086, member: 292 wrote: >Yes, but I'm going to say that anyone who would "trust" an Okie surveying company to do more than slam PK nails in a county road is out of their freaking mind.
Thats a mighty wide brush you are painting with.
James
Apparently you haven't met Kent....JaRo, this is Kent....Kent this is JaRo.
Tom Adams, post: 407097, member: 7285 wrote: Well....that's just the brush handle.
The Oklahoma Panhandle is just a little over 34 miles wide, but that's probably only when the wind isn't blowing.
When did that ever happen?
I recall being confined to Guymon one Easter weekend as law enforcement wasn't letting anyone leave town due to the blizzard conditions. Once the wind speed dropped sufficiently we discovered a total depth of snow of less than a half inch. But, when the snow is going sideways at 50 and 60 mph with nothing to slow it down but the horizon it is next to impossible to see anything.
I don't remember the year, somewhere in the mid 1980s, every highway was closed down around here for several weeks.
Having a 4WD vehicle, I spent my days and nights driving nurses to and from the local hospital so they could work in shifts.
The local police tried to wave me down and put a stop to my travels.
I would stop and make sure they were ok and ask if they needed anything.
Like all they could do was take my plate number cause they were stranded.
Told them I had medical people on board and that took priority.
Within a few years they all had obtained a fleet of response vehicles, boats and access to aircraft.
