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Norman_Oklahoma
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Given the information from the sketch, or whatever else you please, describe the curve from tangent in to tangent out in your format of choice.


 
Posted : May 18, 2012 12:49 pm
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thence northeasterly 92.97 feet along a curve to the right having a radius of 160 feet through a central angle of 33°17'28"; thence...

that is if it is tangent to the preceeding course. Some say "along a tangent curve" but I think it is normally unnecessary to say so.


 
Posted : May 18, 2012 12:58 pm
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Thence with the arc of a tangent curve to the right having a radius of 160.00 feet and a central angle of 33 degrees 17 minutes 28 seconds, an arc distance of 92.97 feet to a point of tangency;

more or less.


 
Posted : May 18, 2012 1:00 pm
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(along said bearing)..to a point of curvature;
thence along a curve to the right having a radius of 160.00 feet an arc distance of 92.97 feet to a point of tangency;
said curve being subtended by a chord that bears n72d52'33"e with a length of 91.66 feet;
thence n89d31'17"e.....


 
Posted : May 18, 2012 1:03 pm
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thence northeasterly with a curve to the right, said curve having a radius of 160' , a distance of 92.97'.

Unless the curve is non-tangent I don't see the need for additional information.

Dtp


 
Posted : May 18, 2012 1:04 pm

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THENCE N 56°13'49" E 196.00 FEET TO THE BEGINNING OF A 160.00 FOOT RADIUS CURVE TO THE RIGHT;
THENCE 92.97 FEET ALONG THE ARC OF SAID CURVE, THE CHORD OF WHICH BEARS N 72°52'33"E 91.66 FEET;
THENCE N 89°31'17" E 196.00 FEET TO the beginning of a 1400.00 foot radius curve to the left;

I use all caps in my descriptions, they reproduce better.
jud


 
Posted : May 18, 2012 1:06 pm
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Very much the same as Paden's


 
Posted : May 18, 2012 1:08 pm
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> thence northeasterly with a curve to the right, said curve having a radius of 160' , a distance of 92.97'.

What, no delta angle?

At minimum we are required in Alabama to give radius, length, and delta angle. If it is non radial, then an angle to chord or to tangent must be added.


 
Posted : May 18, 2012 1:08 pm
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92.97 feet along the arc of a tangent curve to the right, having a radius of 160.00 feet, a chord bearing of North 72° 52' 33" East for a distance of 91.66 feet, and a central angle of 33° 17' 28" to a...

Note the Oxford Comma 😉


 
Posted : May 18, 2012 1:08 pm
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In New York, I do it as Dave Karoly, as that's how it is most often seen there.

In New Jersey, I do it as Paden Cash, but with the central angle, as that's how it's most often seen there.


 
Posted : May 18, 2012 1:09 pm

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I've always preferred the arc distance along an XXX radius curve to the left/right, chord bearing & distance. So simple even a CAD guy can draw it & a lawyer can understand it. All that tangent, delta's, etc can go on a curve table somewhere on the plat if need be.

Then 20 yrs later when somebody is trying to retrace your survey, what would they want to hold? Most likely the distance along the chord/arc and let the rest of the fluff kind of float to match possession. Start intersecting tangent lines, with record bearings, and all holy heck gets woke up.

$0.02


 
Posted : May 18, 2012 1:11 pm
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THENCE N 19°23’22” E, 48.63 feet to a 1/2” rebar rod with aluminum cap set for the beginning of a nontangent curve to the left whose center bears N 84°25’56” W, having a central angle of 01°44’36”, a radius of 700.00 feet, and a chord bearing of N 04°41’46” E, 21.30 feet;

THENCE an arc length of 21.30 feet along said nontangent curve to a 1/2” rebar rod with aluminum cap set for the beginning of a tangent reverse curve to the right having a central angle of 06°06’19”, a radius of 760.00 feet, and a chord bearing N 06°52’37” E, 80.94 feet;

THENCE an arc length of 80.98 feet along said tangent reverse curve to a 1/2” rebar rod with aluminum cap set;

THENCE N 04°01’40” W, 85.44 feet to a 1/2” rebar rod with aluminum cap set for the beginning of a nontangent curve to the right whose center bears S 74°00’25” E, having a central angle of 07°28’13”, a radius of 785.00 feet, and a chord bearing N 19°43’41” E, 102.28 feet;

THENCE an arc length of 102.35 feet to a 1/2” rebar rod with aluminum cap set;

etc., etc...


 
Posted : May 18, 2012 1:13 pm
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> Given the information from the sketch, or whatever else you please, describe the curve from tangent in to tangent out in your format of choice.

Since only 2 of the variables are necessary to calcuate a tangent curve, I have heard the arguement that providing a 3rd component only adds potential for conflict.

I often only use the delta and curve length. I feel they depict the actual field positions except for very short radii curves. In those cases the delta and radius may be more reflective of field location and strength of figure.


 
Posted : May 18, 2012 1:17 pm
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You have the tangents coming and going, isn't that enough?


 
Posted : May 18, 2012 1:17 pm
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Jud, yours is the most similar to mine so far but since we're both Oregonians I suppose that's not surprising.


 
Posted : May 18, 2012 1:18 pm

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If I were going to go with only 2 I think I'd make radius one of them. That is the parameter you usually want held.

Oklahoma minimum standards require direction, L, R, D, CH bearing and distance. Oregon requires all that on plats but has no standard for legals. Most folks follow the plat requirement in their legals.


 
Posted : May 18, 2012 1:21 pm
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It just makes it easier to calculate and stake with a delta angle. Plus, it's in our regs.


 
Posted : May 18, 2012 1:22 pm
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Starting on an eyeball straight line, then around a bend to another straight line


 
Posted : May 18, 2012 1:23 pm
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> Starting on an eyeball straight line, then around a bend to another straight line

... to the stump where Philo Blake killed the bear...


 
Posted : May 18, 2012 1:27 pm
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TO THE BEGINNING OF A TANGENT CURVE CONCAVE TO THE SOUTHEAST, HAVING A RADIUS OF 160.00 FEET; THENCE NORTHEASTERLY ALONG SAID CURVE, AN ARC DISTANCE OF 92.97 FEET THROUGH A CENTRAL ANGLE OF 33d17'28";


 
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