I have a section corner reference that is to a "hex nail" in a power pole. I cannot find anyone in the office who has heard of this type of nail. In checking the pole I find a concrete nail, a PK nail, a duplex nail, and a 60d nail. Would any of these be a hex nail or is it something else altogether?
Hex nail, (hexagon headed nail), is just what is says it is. A six sided nail head possibly with a square shank. I believe they may be handmade.
Colby, post: 365896, member: 8692 wrote: I have a section corner reference that is to a "hex nail" in a power pole. I cannot find anyone in the office who has heard of this type of nail. In checking the pole I find a concrete nail, a PK nail, a duplex nail, and a 60d nail. Would any of these be a hex nail or is it something else altogether?
nails in power poles,,,,besides being illegal,,,,,are very time limited, they get replaced quite often, that hex nail is probably long gone.
MightyMoe, post: 365968, member: 700 wrote: nails in power poles,,,,besides being illegal,,,,,are very time limited, they get replaced quite often, that hex nail is probably long gone.
Yeah, but who doesn't set nails in utility poles??
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Paul D, post: 365984, member: 323 wrote: Yeah, but who doesn't set nails in utility poles??
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Well, not this one, lol
A lineman aproaches the nail filled pole, takes out his hammer and removes them in a few seconds,,,,,,,giving them a well deserved resting place in the garbage bin in the back of the truck........
MightyMoe, post: 365987, member: 700 wrote: Well, not this one, lol
A lineman aproaches the nail filled pole, takes out his hammer and removes them in a few seconds,,,,,,,giving them a well deserved resting place in the garbage bin in the back of the truck........
Never had a really pressing need to nail anything to a utility pole.... fence posts on occasion, but the poles aren't worth the potential grief for a very minimal return....
I've seen some hex nails, some stainless 10d and others that were galvanized the size of bridge spikes.
Both had a twist.
I can remember setting nails half a foot above ground grade in poles for TBM and turning points in rural areas. There were few to none stationary places to set them.
Stopped that long ago.
Rankin_File, post: 365991, member: 101 wrote: Never had a really pressing need to nail anything to a utility pole.... fence posts on occasion, but the poles aren't worth the potential grief for a very minimal return....
Typical pole has a 40-50 year life; nail is pounded in sometime after pole is set,,,,,you can expect 25 years or so depending on the age of the pole at the time
,,,,,one thing is certain its a temporary reference
If a surveyor does that he loses any claim to grouse about utility companies removing monuments.
MightyMoe, post: 366005, member: 700 wrote: Typical pole has a 40-50 year life; nail is pounded in sometime after pole is set,,,,,you can expect 25 years or so depending on the age of the pole at the time
,,,,,one thing is certain its a temporary referenceIf a surveyor does that he loses any claim to grouse about utility companies removing monuments.
Interestingly we find power poles around here still bearing their "date nails," many of which are In the '40s.
These same poles also contain nails for references to section corners.
I wonder if the poles are overdue to be replaced? Or maybe the utility companies here just got lucky with the ideal climate and high quality poles?
Kevin Samuel, post: 366014, member: 96 wrote: Interestingly we find power poles around here still bearing their "date nails," many of which are In the '40s.
These same poles also contain nails for references to section corners.
I wonder if the poles are overdue to be replaced? Or maybe the utility companies here just got lucky with the ideal climate and high quality poles?
It depends greatly I'd imagine on the climate, here with the dry air, intense sun I would suppose they have a shorter life.
the 50 years is of course an average, no doubt some last much longer.
And if you just ask the utility company, they would probably be ok with it as long as you use approved materials.
After all they do mark their poles with nails and those tags, often recessed
I don't think that's what usually happens, seeing nails sticking out a tenth, or worse yet the turned up railroad spike about shin height for a TBM is not acceptable
Kevin Samuel, post: 366014, member: 96 wrote: Interestingly we find power poles around here still bearing their "date nails," many of which are In the '40s.
These same poles also contain nails for references to section corners.
I wonder if the poles are overdue to be replaced? Or maybe the utility companies here just got lucky with the ideal climate and high quality poles?
You can find inspection tags nailed onto poles.
About 5-6 feet from the ground they are usually aluminum, simple, small, bear the initial letter of the company's name and a date.
As long as a pole maintains density and is strong enough for the load it bears, they let them continue in place.
Paul D, post: 365984, member: 323 wrote: Yeah, but who doesn't set nails in utility poles??
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Me, and all the folks I've mentored. Same with benchmarks on fire hydrants - never, ever...
A Harris, post: 366093, member: 81 wrote: You can find inspection tags nailed onto poles.
About 5-6 feet from the ground they are usually aluminum, simple, small, bear the initial letter of the company's name and a date.
As long as a pole maintains density and is strong enough for the load it bears, they let them continue in place.
Yes, I see those all the time. The cool ones are the nails with the date engraved in the head.
Kevin Samuel, post: 366107, member: 96 wrote: Yes, I see those all the time. The cool ones are the nails with the date engraved in the head.
They just use washers down here. Haven't seen date nails on poles in years...(yes I have been known to collect them..)
PK nail in a power pole is a super common practice for setting references. We don't have a thousand trees to chose from and steel fence posts have greatly reduced the number of "nailable" fence posts. Most are set about a foot above ground.
One local surveyor who finally went to the big survey project in the sky about 1980 still has tons of reference nails still out there to find in power poles. Some will be a roofing nail driven through a small hex nut. Some are duplex nails. Guy poles tend to last even longer than the regular poles.