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@nate-the-surveyor in the northern latitudes convergence is a thing to contend with. This is especially true when retracing 3 or 4 sections.

I actually quit using projected coordinates to compute GLO sesrch points. Use the plat distances to proportion lats and longs from knowns and things really tighten up.


 
Posted : June 16, 2021 8:54 am
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@nate-the-surveyor?ÿ

You must live farther north than I though, always considered you a southern guy. ?????ÿ


 
Posted : June 16, 2021 9:05 am
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Posted by: @mightymoe

SPC convergence can be that large at about any latitude if you are far from the standard line of the projection.


 
Posted : June 16, 2021 9:23 am
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@bill93?ÿ

Fairly sure he doesn't mean the mapping angle in this context.?ÿ


 
Posted : June 16, 2021 11:39 am
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@bill93 MM is correct. I was referring to convergence of the meridians. This causes large apparent misclosures on PLSS plats. It gets worse at higher latitudes.

Projection mapping angles have other variables and wouldn't be an issue on (unprojected) GLO plats.


 
Posted : June 16, 2021 12:54 pm

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Posted by: @thebionicman

Nate said

In this area, theta is close to 55" per mile. (EW)

which is what got me thinking about SPC, as I think that is a common term there.


 
Posted : June 16, 2021 1:09 pm
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@bill93?ÿ

The angular expeession can be similar as both are computed (nominally) as sin of lat x delta long. The difference is in how the angle is applied. One is between the points, the other between the point and central meridian.

Early surveyors used the standard field tables to obtain various offsets for correcting in the field. I have found them surprisingly accurate compared to proper geographic calculations. So much so I keep a redbook in the truck.


 
Posted : June 16, 2021 1:22 pm
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@thebionicman?ÿ

Care needs to be taken to sometimes "get on" the early ways of calculating convergence and constant bearings.?ÿ

It is simple to mean LATs and LONGs to do prorations and put points on a constant bearing line. I've found them to be really close to older methods.?ÿ

I did obtain notes and calculation sheets from a private surveyor who probably started his surveying with the GLO (1930's era). These notes were interesting, he calculated lat long then converted it all to northings and westings. Made it really difficult to imput it into autocad.?ÿ


 
Posted : June 16, 2021 1:41 pm
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@flga-2-2 Nice slam. ????


 
Posted : June 16, 2021 1:48 pm
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@nate-the-surveyor?ÿ

Or you ccould use a program like Caldson or Traverse PC, that can handle true mean bearings.?ÿ


 
Posted : June 16, 2021 7:06 pm

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