Have fun with this discussion.
A section is being surveyed to find an aliquot boundary as part of a survey for a tract being cut from one corner of the aliquot part. Some type of monument is found at the section corners and quarter corners except for the south quarter corner. The south section line is on a standard parallel. None of the monuments found are original (Government monuments). They were set at different times by different surveyors for surveys involving adjoining sections.
Here is what you discover. The "apparent" quarter corner location falls roughly 10 feet to the north of a straight line between the southwest corner and southeast corner. And, don't forget about Keith's half a link offset to address for curvature (ha ha ha ha). The surveyor decides to set his monument at the "apparent corner" which falls within a few inches of being exactly half distance between the section corners.
What do you think of that?
What constitutes "apparent" & what is an inch?
Yes, what is an apparent corner?
Apparent means
Where visible evidence would suggest you should find the corner monument if one had ever been placed. Not based on measurement.
Inches: a measurement system used by the common class of Americans who have not been exposed to surveyors.
Apparent means
Is that, like, between lost and obliterated?
Apparent means
"It has not been proven to be, it has been recognized as being"
If I understand, the South 1/4 corner is Midway (within inches), but 10' from on line. My experience is surveyors from the beginning of time have been pretty good at measuring distance but not so good with direction. Not to sure about the word "apparent", but if that is some evidence of where a monument once was, well I can live with the idea that it was a previous M-O-L set corner or maybe even the original.
In three words: just use it.
Scott
Florida was originally surveyed with a compass on a stick for direction ... I rarely consider an apparent 1/4 corner's offset from the line when deciding if it's acceptable or not.
occupation (fence) may well be the best available evidence of the perpetuation of the original monument.
that said, in some terrain it was rather easy to maintain good line, some places was easy to lay out the distance.
There Are No Straight Lines On Parallels
Treat it as a closing monument.
Paul in PA
Say what!
> Some type of monument is found at the section corners and quarter corners except for the south quarter corner. The south section line is on a standard parallel. None of the monuments found are original (Government monuments).
Okay, wouldn't Step One be to figure out where the section corners really are? Otherwise, you've got what sounds like zero evidence of the original government survey, just a bunch of different surveyors's ideas, none of which are conclusively correct, or so one would understand from the premises given.
Apparently
I am missing something here about apparent corners and failing to understand the problem?
So what is step 2 when there is zero evidence of original monuments?
> So what is step 2 when there is zero evidence of original monuments?
If you have no basis for knowing where the section corners were originally established by government survey, you have no basis for arguing that the corner in question is somehow incorrectly placed. This assumes that the section was patented in separate quarters by implied reference to that original survey.
> > Some type of monument is found at the section corners and quarter corners except for the south quarter corner. The south section line is on a standard parallel. None of the monuments found are original (Government monuments).
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> Okay, wouldn't Step One be to figure out where the section corners really are? Otherwise, you've got what sounds like zero evidence of the original government survey, just a bunch of different surveyors's ideas, none of which are conclusively correct, or so one would understand from the premises given.
Client does not have the cash to do that. Surveyor must justify accepting an "apparent' corner. Whatever that is.... in this case it sounds like a fence corner. What other 'visible' evidence would there be?
> Client does not have the cash to do that. Surveyor must justify accepting an "apparent' corner. Whatever that is.... in this case it sounds like a fence corner. What other 'visible' evidence would there be?
Well, isn't the lingering problem that if a more diligent surveyor finds the original government corners, this whole exercise of fence corners as "apparent corners" is down the toilet as a location of record title?
In the age of GPS, you'd think (well, I'd think) that it would not be that much work to survey several section in all directions to look for some obvious problem with the "apparent" section corners, particularly in a rural area.
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> Well, isn't the lingering problem that if a more diligent surveyor finds the original government corners, this whole exercise of fence corners as "apparent corners" is down the toilet as a location of record title?
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> In the age of GPS, you'd think (well, I'd think) that it would not be that much work to survey several section in all directions to look for some obvious problem with the "apparent" section corners, particularly in a rural area.
Yep, but it could be a "dry" GPS county over there for surveying.
In these "fly over" PLS states one would think that using GPS to break down a section would give the surveyor more time to go "hole digging' for original monuments.
> Yep, but it could be a "dry" GPS county over there for surveying.
> In these "fly over" PLS states one would think that using GPS to break down a section would give the surveyor more time to go "hole digging' for original monuments.
Yeah, open sky and county roads along section lines sounds like a nice, easy combo to me.
The whole idea is that being able to make that investigation fairly easily means that a surveyor who fails to do it assumes the liability if something turns up that he or should would reasonably be expected to have discovered had they done it and that materially alters the boundary location that is otherwise a work of guesseology.
It sounds to me like all of your corners are "apparent" corners. Do you have the history of how those other corners were set, and a kind of trail back to the original? Maybe with this new bit of evidence, it can give you a place to look for some of the adjacent section corners. Did you look for original stone north of the found marks up to 30 feet? How close do the other ¼-corners fit between their section corners? Is there reason to believe that the original surveyor of that section was within less than a 10' fluxuation of being on line? Or do all the ¼-corners that exist seem to be off up to 10' or more?
Evidence at the actual corner position might be evidence of where the original corner once was. Is there any reason to believe they didn't build their fence and improvements up to where the stone once was?
