So you want to be a surveyor?
The pipe vs stone from the old RPLS site was an original GLO monument established during the original township survey and still remains as the C 1/4 monument and carries as much weight as any of the exterior section monuments. All the sections in the township had the C 1/4 monument established during the subdivision of the township. The pipe may be accepted as the property corners, but not the C 1/4.
I say hold the accepted corner (the pipe?) and reference the found stone. As we all know - the original corner may not be true corner. But all parties are aware of the pipe and (may) have accepted its position as the true corner.
Ah heck...Smack the hornets nest and let them figure it out in court. 😉
So you want to be a surveyor?
> The pipe vs stone from the old RPLS site was an original GLO monument established during the original township survey and still remains as the C 1/4 monument and carries as much weight as any of the exterior section monuments. All the sections in the township had the C 1/4 monument established during the subdivision of the township. The pipe may be accepted as the property corners, but not the C 1/4.
That's the way I remembered it too; except that I remember Deral explaining it to all the affected land owners and they agreed to move the fences over the 12' at the C 1/4 and move the rest of the fencing over to the new lines.
I have ALL that text saved somewhere; there were several threads and 100's of posts. I'll try to look it up later and confirm.
Dugger
This is what separates the surveyors from the measurers.
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It's the right monument
The stone is the original true corner. I'm not accepting poor work. If A section had been subdivided off bad work, I may be forced to accept it. In my case they only screwed up 1/4 section, and senior owners didn't give up their fences. I will stand with the stone.
Amazes me how many passed their exam, and screw up sections..
It's the right monument
Won't it get awfully cold standing out there all night?
> Amazes me how many passed their exam, and screw up sections..
I believe this is usually due to a lack of education, both in the classroom and in the field (mentoring). Far too often I've seen situations where surveyors are assuming that all original evidence is lost if they don't trip over it within a few minutes of looking within a few feet of the mathematically calculated position.
In this case, apparently the long held occupation lines within the section were all but standing up a screaming "Hey look at me, I can show you where the corner is!!!", but they were ignored and overruled by mathematics, expediency, and carelessness.
In the classroom, the mathematics and methods of proportioning are taught, stressed, and tested, ad nauseum, (also in CE seminars), until one can understand why too many surveyors focus on the methods of last resort first.
There are old, experienced, long in the years, really good surveyors, some who worked their whole lives for the GLO/BLM doing resurveys that missed stones. It happens.
In fact, if you do it long enough it will probably happen to anyone. I looked for one this fall, a north 1/4, was sure it was there, found both section corners, no real vegetation to hide the thing, found some broken stone rubble but nothing to hang my hat on, is it there, maybe, but I sure didn't find the thing. Will someone else years from now find it? Possible, but I don't think so......still.