Florida's "checklist" - the votes
Surely. I can also upload it to your link of choice, if you prefer ...
Hmmm. It takes quite awhile to load and I'm on 12mbps cable internet.
Florida's "checklist" - the votes
Andy....it's not tiring. We should all be concerned. As I said (and I think I'm correct) Fla. is one of the hardest states to get licensed in. If this can happen there then it can happen in other states. I haven't seen any posts from surveyors in other states complaining. I think they watch with concern, as we all should do. Now let's all get active and help out where we can.
Wendell seems to be more than willing to help. A united front from all surveyors seems to be a key in getting this mess addressed properly.
Florida's "checklist" - the votes
What Craig said.
Florida's "checklist" - the votes
Well, it probably is more appropriate to have them in Legal Issues, but it truly is an issue that affects all surveyors, so I haven't made any changes to the categories unless they were in General Non-Surveying (which, for some reason, a lot of them were posted there).
Florida's "checklist" - the votes - Andy J
>Wendell... I'm not one for carving the board up, but it occurs to me that all this >Florida stuff may be tiring for surveyors in other states.
This is definately not tiring and 100% surveying related. Let's just leave it as it is.
> I'm starting to feel like the DrudgeReport of Surveyors ...
Thanks for the inside scoop "Matt".
I hope that whoever came up with the check marks on that list, and each politician with the power to advance or kill this bill each has a survey related problem caused by someone who had been unable to obtain a license while they existed, has no insurance and little in the way of personal assets. I hope those problems cost each of these politicos big bucks while leaving them no viable recourse for recompense.
Let them then look to those other means of protecting the consumer.
Florida's "checklist" - the votes
i just figured out the profile thingy ... 😉
Florida's "checklist" - Prove it wrong
This seems pretty simple to me. Just prove number 5 on the list is in error and the whole bill basically goes down the toilet.
The argument is that those voting Yes on the bill were doing so with erroneous information.
Florida's "checklist" - the votes
Florida used to be the hardest, but it isn't anymore. They took the 5 hour essay test and turned it into an open book 100 multiple choice test. It's actually rather easy.
Florida's "checklist" - Prove it wrong
They voted on this with no advanced warning to most (if not all) of us. When our Society rep went to defend us, he was given a very short time to do it, and they adjourned the meeting. The decision was made long ago, the meeting was a dog-n-pony show.
It won't be quite that easy. They made sure the deck was stacked ...
Florida's "checklist" - Prove it wrong
Two check marks in two areas sealed the fate of surveyors in Florida.
Is the bill now law?
Florida's "checklist" - the votes
Really? that's too bad. Now we get all these people from up north somewhere coming down year after year trying to pass the dang thing. When will the madness end?
Florida's "checklist" - the votes
In April 2007 I flunked that dude. In April 2009, I was the first group to take the new test. I made a 96.
Florida's "checklist" - the votes
oh, so you skipped a year, my bad. Lucky for you it was the new test, huh?
or did you skip 08 because the 09 test was going to be so easy?
Please, someone get a better version posted.
Here's what I was able to tease out of it, with my commentary...
"Indispensable to public health or safety" - Debatable - certainly engineers rely on data from surveyors to design many things, which, if based on bad data, could result in death and/or injury. Amazing to see they consider geologists to have no impact on health and safety, given hydrogeologists deal with subsurface plumes of hazardous materials in groundwater, subsidence, slope and rock wall stability and other things which could impact health and safety. They are either clueless or were misinformed.
(can't read...)
(professional exam) - Yes, of course - to establish minimal competency
"Designed only to limit competition?" - what competition? From the inexperienced? The uneducated (degree requirement)? The incompetent (exam)?
"Is regulated by other entities?" - which "other entities" regulate surveying? General business regulation? They don't deal with technical issues, so WRONG.
"Consumers can be protected by other means" - WHICH other means, specifically?
Arguably, one could use the exact same bogus arguments and criteria to push for deregulation of Engineers, Architects, Attorneys and many others. It might be the perfect "reverse psychology" to demonstrate that the exact same bogus criteria apply to attorneys, for example - and say "It's ALL or NONE" and then sit back and enjoy the uproar and backlash that comes from it. It would completely explode in the legislators' faces.
Florida's "checklist" - the votes
Tommy, you did well then. I spoke to a state board fella the other day....if Fla isn't the hardest it's pretty damn near the top. Texas ain't no cake walk either and neither is Virginia.
But still...if it can happen there it can affect other states.
Florida's "checklist" - the votes
sorry, Tommy, I shouldn't take my frustration out on you. If you don't think this issue is a big deal, then good for you. Florida is just another frame on your wall, but it's a hell of a lot more than that to me. It still is a tough test, and I felt damn lucky to pass it the first time I took it, essay problem and all. best of luck to you.
It is a planned method to gain more government power. People are addicted to government protection, take it away and soon there will be an outcry for reinstating that protection. That is where the danger to the loss of freedoms come into play. The new protections will all be in the governments favor for funding, the extent of the protection and the limits on regress for government intrusion, the people will love it for a time.
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Florida's "checklist" - Prove it wrong
They sure did think Interior designers are REAL IMPORTANT!! There were 12 of them on the list to testify before the committee.
That tells me that this committee, at least the chair, is totally ignorant about many of the professions they are holding meetings about.
