> The original surveyor would not have your problem, he has control already.
Totally agree there. I see more crappy plans from A/E firms who do their own surveying & staking. So they issue plans that nobody else can figure out, thus pricing themselves into the project. These are the same people who practically give away the survey portion to get the engineering. I just don't happen to agree with that business model.
I'm old school in the sense that I think any competent surveyor should be able to pick up any set of plans and stake the job - without the CAD file. And the control should always be shown. I like to have it as a check, but I always create my own CAD file for what I've got to stake, and you need proper dimensions to do that.
> >......it is called a strategic business advantage,
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> No it's not.
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> It's blackmailing the client by issuing a deficient product and then using that information to secure future work.
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> You have to leave a way to recreate your data.
If you ask for a topo only and a benchmark up front, then that is exactly what you get, if you ask for a way to recreate my survey or tie into the property line up front then you can get that no problem.
However I go strictly by the contract, pay as you go with me and you can't go wrong but if you forget to order something then that is your mistake not mine.
I sell products strictly by the contract....as it should be.
Liability
I did say that I would not let a contractor tell me how to do my job, just that a resection when done correctly can achieve the same results.
I understand liability, most of my projects are in the many millions of dollars. However, I refuse to work for contractors that do not value my services.
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> The original surveyor would not have your problem, he has control already.
I was (am) the original surveyor & have laid out the entire site.
The problem is with design plans for the pool area.
Which is tied off the house (did I say - yet built)
When using the separate Pool Plans (which is not on the Site Plan BTW),
the pool would then encroach into the adjoiner 0.7'
The frick'n architect apparently didn't pay much attention to the PL's
He just thought he could lay the pool in there any ole way
So now this is now My Problem?
I don't think so
Liability
> is an issue here. I will always believe if you're going to bear some liability as to whether a structure is staked in its proper place, no one but the liable party should be in control of how the work is performed.
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> IF you're taking longer than the contractor thinks; it's his perogative to send you down the road. He should buy a TS and do it himself.
I totally agree. Why doesn't he have his laborers do the work? What's the best way? That's a matter of opinion. but I am going to go about my work with a level of confidence within my area of expertice.
WAIT TILL THE NEW CREW CALLS
FOR YOUR CAD FILE
"I can beat your squirting gun any day."
-J.P. Mattimoe
I was a believer after watching him stake a building FAST with a chain and theodolite.
WAIT TILL THE NEW CREW CALLS
That's Hilarious......
How are they going to stake it out radially from paper plans?
You do not need to bow down to the client
Too many will jump at anything to keep a client happy. That is why they invented liability insurance. It may help pay for damage claims later. Personally, I have no interest in working for anyone who isn't understanding that "I" decide how to to "MY" job.
You do not need to bow down to the client
>Personally, I have no interest in working for anyone who isn't understanding that "I" decide how to to "MY" job.
+1
You do not need to bow down to the client
> >Personally, I have no interest in working for anyone who isn't understanding that "I" decide how to to "MY" job.
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Unless they are paying so ungodly much that I don't care.
So you have no problem issuing a topo that can not possibly be precisely located?
> The kicker to all of this is they, and their new surveyor, don't understand the plans. This building is being laid out 2" too wide and too long. But, what the hell do we know.
2"? Carpenters will fix it.
Er, yes, yes we do still calc from the hard copy. As a matter of fact, the stamped hardcopies are the legal controlling documents and anything else is opening yourself up to charges of surveying or engineering without a license. Ask me how I know......
On general principles, I refuse to extrapolate from CAD files, too many button monkeys out there who can produce a great looking set of pictures with no integrity to the actual coordinates from the plans.
When asked to provide digital, I always translate my coords to 0,0,0 at the bottom left corner before submitting. If they want to print it out and used the provided reference coordinates from the print, it will provide the required information.
Asbuilts are another matter entirely, those will be to actual coordinates. In a text file. In pdf format.
Great reply, if you are there hourly, your terms are dictated by whomever is writing the check.
I see this a lot, with all disciplines, usually cases where a hard number bid for specific services has been employed and now additional services are required. Additional work should be hourly, as it negates the necessity of negotiating a new contract.
It is a thin line, and one where interdepartmental communication is vital. The left hand in the field needs to know what the right hand in the office negotiated.
WAIT TILL THE NEW CREW CALLS
By calculating the coordinates from the hard copy themselves. Believe it or not, some of us actually have the ability to do that.....
Also, since some of the Category Police are such sticklers, this is in the wrong category. This is about Construction/Mining, not Land Surveying. Two entirely different areas, but perhaps that is the key to the entire issue being discussed.
> So you have no problem issuing a topo that can not possibly be precisely located?
Oh, I would never do that, I can locate it precisely however if someone else wants to locate it precisely then they have to pay first, if I am willing to sell to them.
This is not the Boy Scouts it is business, money is the aim.
I am all for helping make the engineers and contractors life easy and the project run smoothly however, I do not OWE them anything, they can pay a la carte... "may I take your order sir?"
> > So you have no problem issuing a topo that can not possibly be precisely located?
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> Oh, I would never do that, I can locate it precisely however if someone else wants to locate it precisely then they have to pay first, if I am willing to sell to them.
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> This is not the Boy Scouts it is business, money is the aim.
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> I am all for helping make the engineers and contractors life easy and the project run smoothly however, I do not OWE them anything, they can pay a la carte... "may I take your order sir?"
:good: :good: :good:
WAIT TILL THE NEW CREW CALLS
> By calculating the coordinates from the hard copy themselves. Believe it or not, some of us actually have the ability to do that.....
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> Also, since some of the Category Police are such sticklers, this is in the wrong category. This is about Construction/Mining, not Land Surveying. Two entirely different areas, but perhaps that is the key to the entire issue being discussed.
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>So they issue plans that nobody else can figure out....
You can thank the Engineers going to a degree requirement for that 😉