I completely agree. However, lets assume the person that "missed" by 0.2' ran a loop, and that the point set was, in fact, occupied as part of that traverse.
When they got around the block and missed closure by 0.2', then what?
The fact that a surveyor should know the precision and accuracy of their work should be agreed upon by all of us. What I think we see here is that some surveyors acknowledge that under certain circumstances 0.2' (or more) could be acceptable.
Reminds me of some years back a crew ran a traverse through a property for a topographic survey. We missed closure by about 0.15' horizontal. For design topo of a plat, that is good enough to walk away from. BUT, I know we should NEVER have a traverse that far out given the conditions. I worked it through StarNet back and forth (they did have some cross ties) and found a specific occupation point that seemed to be the culprit. Turns out that there were equipment/procedure issues due to some new equipment. Sure we could have "let it ride", but it was worthwhile finding out what was going on.
One issue is one surveyor reporting in grid while everyone else is reporting on ground.?ÿ Can get 0.2 in a half mile in places.
0.2 ft. per ?« mile?
Hell, out here in the Mountain West, it can EXCEED 1.5 ft. per ?« mile! Even more if someone is using UTM (or playing around in some parts of Montana with the single zone Montana SPC).
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@loyal -had a surveyor testify in a condemnation suit that the state was trying to cheat his client out of land because the were using grid measurements buying a strip 20 ft wide across the front of a section... our compensation offer was to the hundredth hog an acre ... rounded up....:eyeroll
Where I work I??m just happy to find that they actually set a rebar. I??ll live with the 0.2?? difference. At least we are talking about the same piece of property.
I don't know about trying to cheat a client out of land, but it's a pretty crappy practice to describe any land for boundary purposes with grid distances. Boundaries have always been measured on the surface, and descriptions are for land owners to use. I would feel pretty stupid trying to explain that the distances in their deed don't represent anyhting on the actual surface of the earth.?ÿ
In your case the differences may have been trivial, but in many cases they are not.?ÿ
@aliquot. ?ÿObviously you??re not familiar with the creature known as the shaded deed. There are no distances other than the calls for width from centerline. Working on the grid is the least of the problems....
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Sounds like the the Holy Hand grenade of Antioch.....
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xOrgLj9lOwk
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These lots should be surveyed together at least once and it should be the surveyor who signed the plat.?ÿ
Imagine, you buy a lot in a Subdivision, there are no monumented corners, only paper ones. I won't do that.?ÿ?ÿ
That's why many Counties and municipalities require the developer post a monumentation bond or cash deposit prior to Subdivision approval.?ÿ If you don't monument the lots for whatever reason (bankruptcy, death,?ÿ ??) then they'll use the bond/deposit to complete the Subdivision monumentation.?ÿ They are serious concerning this,?ÿ a monument field inspection is performed by the agency before the fund/deposit is released.?ÿ The Final Plat can be approved & recorded prior to interior monumentation given that earthwork, utilities, streetwork would destroy monuments set prior to recordation.
It's a good thing because the surveyor submits a letter stating that he/she have been paid for their services and he/she releases their claim on the surety or the developer doesn't get his/her money back.?ÿ Also the developer can't get the "Pink" slips for the lots which authorize the sale or lease of them until after Bond release is completed,?ÿ although it's more complicated than that.?ÿ Therefore developer has a powerful motivation to pay you promptly.
Usually this stuff does not apply to Short Plats of five lots or less.
You didn't explain that in your original post. One would assume that if a land surveyor was objecting to grid distances in a deed, there would be actual measurements in the deed.?ÿ
I certainly see why you thought that was ridiculous now.?ÿ
There's a guy in town, probably in your town too, I call him "Tenth Long" because he uses the -30mm prism with the 0mm setting in the instrument year after year.
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