Never seen this format before:
Parcel #4
204-13-19 - EAST HALF OF THE EAST HALF OF THE NORTHEAST QUARTER OF THE NORTHEAST QUARTER OF SECTION 22 TOWNSHIP 21 NORTH RANGE TWO EAST OF THE XX MERIDIAN, YY COUNTY, AZ.
OR
THE EAST 165 FEET OF THE NORTH HALF OF THE SOUTHEAST QUARTER OF THE NORTHEAST QUARTER OF SECTION 22, TOWNSHIP 21 NORTH, RANGE 2 EAST OF THE XX MERIDIAN, YY COUNTY, AZ.
As long as those are supposed to be two different tracts and not the same one I don't see the big problem. Those are descriptions that can be surveyed. Except for the 204-13-19 part, of course.
Right click this http://www.surveyhistory.org/metes_&_bounds_vs__public_lands.htm&apos ;">Link, and tell it "Open in new tab" Let it open the link. Go down to diagram 5.
That's the world I work in.
PLSS
Public Land Survey System.
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an either-or description? Yeah, that's a new one on me.
How do you decide which one to chose?
Holy Cow, post: 375120, member: 50 wrote: As long as those are supposed to be two different tracts and not the same one I don't see the big problem. Those are descriptions that can be surveyed. Except for the 204-13-19 part, of course.
Like it says, it's one parcel - "Parcel #4"...
Nate The Surveyor, post: 375121, member: 291 wrote: Right click this http://www.surveyhistory.org/metes_&_bounds_vs__public_lands.htm&apos ;">Link, and tell it "Open in new tab" Let it open the link. Go down to diagram 5.
That's the world I work in.
PLSSPublic Land Survey System.
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Diagram 5 does not address the "OR" issue...
Jim in AZ, post: 375125, member: 249 wrote: Diagram 5 does not address the "OR" issue...
I'm "assuming" the or was meant to be an and.
Jim in AZ, post: 375116, member: 249 wrote: Never seen this format before:
Parcel #4
204-13-19 - EAST HALF OF THE EAST HALF OF THE NORTHEAST QUARTER OF THE NORTHEAST QUARTER OF SECTION 22 TOWNSHIP 21 NORTH RANGE TWO EAST OF THE XX MERIDIAN, YY COUNTY, AZ.
OR
THE EAST 165 FEET OF THE NORTH HALF OF THE SOUTHEAST QUARTER OF THE NORTHEAST QUARTER OF SECTION 22, TOWNSHIP 21 NORTH, RANGE 2 EAST OF THE XX MERIDIAN, YY COUNTY, AZ.
[sarcasm]What a brilliant Idea! how could it possibly create any confusion....[/sarcasm]
Jim in AZ, post: 375116, member: 249 wrote: Never seen this format before:
Parcel #4
204-13-19 - EAST HALF OF THE EAST HALF OF THE NORTHEAST QUARTER OF THE NORTHEAST QUARTER OF SECTION 22 TOWNSHIP 21 NORTH RANGE TWO EAST OF THE XX MERIDIAN, YY COUNTY, AZ.
OR
THE EAST 165 FEET OF THE NORTH HALF OF THE SOUTHEAST QUARTER OF THE NORTHEAST QUARTER OF SECTION 22, TOWNSHIP 21 NORTH, RANGE 2 EAST OF THE XX MERIDIAN, YY COUNTY, AZ.
Have Grantees in the Grantor's chain of title been previously conveyed property using both descriptions or can you eliminate one just by examining record title?
MightyMoe, post: 375127, member: 700 wrote: I'm "assuming" the or was meant to be an and.
that would eliminate the "eeny, meeny, miney, moe" component of the description.... (pun intended)
pretty cool scheme actually, the grantor keeps the one he owns and says he sold you the other one..... :snarky:
We run into this all the time. Folks get confused.
E1/2-E1/2-NE1/4-NE1/4 results in a parcel that is approximately 330' EW by 1320' NS, with the NE corner of the section being the NE corner.
N1/2-SE1/4-NE1/4 is approximately 660' NS x 1320' EW
So now the E165' of this.
And, they are simply not the same parcel
"all this E1/2-NE1/4-NE1/4 Quarter of a Quarter stuff gets me confused"
Real Uppity lady walked into the local hardware store. She needed plumbing parts. The owners wife, a Freewill Baptist went to help her. She began asking if the uppity lady needed the female part, or the male part. She replied that "All the male female stuff gets me confused, what are you talking about" The poor owners wife, in her normal, and polite manner said "Male part is like this, (Finger extended) and Female part is like this (hand in a circle) and they go together like this!" The uppity lady turned bright red, and left the store in a huff.
That story was related to me by the owners son, who was maybe 8 at the time. (He now runs the store, and his momma has passed away). It was killing him, to tell the story.
Anyway, I cannot think of a way to explain the above dilemma to the client, without pictures.
Nominally, these are 2 contiguous parcels, the first one is about 10 ac, and the second one is about 2.5 acres. I often see them interchange the values, using nominal equivalents. As in, NE NE is the same as 1320x1320 but it's not.
Go make money with it. Maybe they have title problems, because some atty, or uppity lady tried to work with it! I bet that uppity lady got a job, as a realtor, or a title searcher!!!
I hope everybody has a great day. I have had a few relapses lately of Lymes Tick fever. It makes me unable to sleep, and very hard to think things through. Especially that quarter of a quarter stuff, and so I have to draw it out, to get it.
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Nate The Surveyor, post: 375138, member: 291 wrote: We run into this all the time. Folks get confused.
E1/2-E1/2-NE1/4-NE1/4 results in a parcel that is approximately 330' EW by 1320' NS, with the NE corner of the section being the NE corner.N1/2-SE1/4-NE1/4 is approximately 660' NS x 1320' EW
So now the E165' of this.
And, they are simply not the same parcel"all this E1/2-NE1/4-NE1/4 Quarter of a Quarter stuff gets me confused"
Real Uppity lady walked into the local hardware store. She needed plumbing parts. The owners wife, a Freewill Baptist went to help her. She began asking if the uppity lady needed the female part, or the male part. She replied that "All the male female stuff gets me confused, what are you talking about" The poor owners wife, in her normal, and polite manner said "Male part is like this, (Finger extended) and Female part is like this (hand in a circle) and they go together like this!" The uppity lady turned bright red, and left the store in a huff.
That story was related to me by the owners son, who was maybe 8 at the time. (He now runs the store, and his momma has passed away). It was killing him, to tell the story.
Anyway, I cannot think of a way to explain the above dilemma to the client, without pictures.
Nominally, these are 2 contiguous parcels, the first one is about 10 ac, and the second one is about 2.5 acres. I often see them interchange the values, using nominal equivalents. As in, NE NE is the same as 1320x1320 but it's not.
Go make money with it. Maybe they have title problems, because some atty, or uppity lady tried to work with it! I bet that uppity lady got a job, as a realtor, or a title searcher!!!I hope everybody has a great day. I have had a few relapses lately of Lymes Tick fever. It makes me unable to sleep, and very hard to think things through. Especially that quarter of a quarter stuff, and so I have to draw it out, to get it.
🙂
N
I've gotten to where I instinctively read the dang things right to leftB-)
seems to help
MightyMoe, post: 375144, member: 700 wrote: I've gotten to where I instinctively read the dang things right to leftB-)
seems to help
that's how they lernt me back in the day...
Thats the key. Read em in HEBREW! (Right to Left)
And, draw as you go.
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Holy Cow, post: 375120, member: 50 wrote: As long as those are supposed to be two different tracts and not the same one I don't see the big problem. Those are descriptions that can be surveyed. Except for the 204-13-19 part, of course.
I'm thinking the 204-13-19 is a reference to an Assessor's Parcel Number. I see them in deeds a lot. They can be convenient to locate a parcel in the County in general, however, they often cause more problems. First, if there are any title actions to the property, that Assessor's Number may get changed. Second, the Assessor's Parcel Maps are NOT a survey map, but everyone in the world (except surveyors and the County Assessor) doesn't seem to understand this. Third, some title officers have worked under the assumption that the Assessor's Number is equivalent to a legal description.
Nate The Surveyor, post: 375138, member: 291 wrote: E1/2-E1/2-NE1/4-NE1/4
Around here that condensed notation is used on the assessor site and recorder's index but the deeds I've seen spell out the quarter of the quarter.
Bill93, post: 375155, member: 87 wrote: Around here that condensed notation is used on the assessor site and recorder's index but the deeds I've seen spell out the quarter of the quarter.
putting a dash inbetween is a big no-no
Around here, some are ABBREVIATING the way I wrote it.
E1/2-E1/4-NE1/4-NE1/4
becomes
E/2 E/2 NE/4 NE4.
I am talking a SURVEYOR. on his plats (That's plak for the rednecks) and even in the descriptions!
I am a serious as sitting in a uppity womans house, with PLUSH carpet, and realizing that my kid stepped in a HUMONGOUS dog stink pile, and ran across that carpet.....
skwyd, post: 375153, member: 6874 wrote: I'm thinking the 204-13-19 is a reference to an Assessor's Parcel Number. I see them in deeds a lot. They can be convenient to locate a parcel in the County in general, however, they often cause more problems. First, if there are any title actions to the property, that Assessor's Number may get changed. Second, the Assessor's Parcel Maps are NOT a survey map, but everyone in the world (except surveyors and the County Assessor) doesn't seem to understand this. Third, some title officers have worked under the assumption that the Assessor's Number is equivalent to a legal description.
Correct, that is an APN, and it is applied to the first described parcel.
I have a hard time thinking that someone inadvertently used the word "OR" in place of "AND"...
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